[B-Greek] HQELON OUN LABEIN AUTON EIS TO PLOION Jn 6:21

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Sat May 31 05:56:30 EDT 2008


I would suggest that in Mark EUQUS is more like "then" than "immediately."  Mark uses it repeatedly even when it seems to have no urgency connected to it. 

 george
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----- Original Message ----
From: Iver Larsen <iver_larsen at sil.org>
To: Elizabeth Kline <kline_dekooning at earthlink.net>; BG <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 5:36:58 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] HQELON OUN LABEIN AUTON EIS TO PLOION Jn 6:21

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elizabeth Kline" <kline_dekooning at earthlink.net>
To: "greek B-Greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: 31. man 2008 05:59
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] HQELON OUN LABEIN AUTON EIS TO PLOION Jan 6:21
>
> On May 30, 2008, at 7:02 PM, bwmeyers at toast.net wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 11:23:00 -0700, Elizabeth Kline wrote:
>>
>>> See also Moffatt's version
>>> "So they agreed to take him on board."
>>>
>>>
>>> Elizabeth Kline
>>
>> I dunno.  Would that not be an awful anticlimax/whitewash of the
>> Lord's words in v. 20?

No, after the climax comes what is called a denouement, that is, a gradual release of tension, a
resolution of the crisis.

>> EGW EIMI.  ME FOBEISQE.
>>
>> "I AM.  BE NOT AFRAID." (?)

EGW EIMI here does not mean "I am", but rather "it's me!"

>> Especially in view of the space-time-momentum miracle immediately
>> following, punctuating His words?

There is no reason to suggest a miracle. The words EUQUS and EUQEWS indicate surprise much more than
time. Lo and behold, they came to land "in no time". It is an idiom that should not be exegeted from
its normal English translation "immediately".

>
> Perhaps. It might be misguided to try and eradicate all notions of
> wishing and desire from QELW in this passage. Certainly they were glad
> to see him. They were in need of help and he had helped them before.
> Yes I can see your point.
>
> The idea that QELW [EQELW] implies that the wish went unfulfilled is a
> separate issue.

My guess it that this suggestion is based again on exegeting a literal English translation of HQELON
as "wanted". I am happy/willing to accept the sense of acceptance in this context in contrast to
their former fear. John seems to want to emphasize that once you meet or recognize Jesus, fear is
replaced by happiness. Several English translations render this as something like "so (now) they
were happy to take him on board", implying that they consequently did so, as is also explained in
the parallel passages.

Iver Larsen

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