[B-Greek] Teach Nouns or Verbs first?
George F Somsel
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Sat May 17 08:25:27 EDT 2008
While Paul does use PLAC in reference to the tablets of the Law, he contrasts it with the πλαξὶνκαρδίαις σαρκίναις [PLACIN KARDIAIS SARKINAIS] which might provide some warrant for using it in a different sense. Also, LSJ lists some other uses of the word including such items as a plain (flat land), gold plates, tail fins of crustacea and folds in a ruminant's stomach.
In Lk 1.63 when Zecharias confirms the name "John" for his son he writes it upon a wooden tablet coated with wax
καὶ αἰτήσας πινακίδιον ἔγραψεν λέγων·Ἰωάννης ἐστὶν ὄνομα αὐτοῦ.
KAI AITHSAS PINAKIDION EGRAYEN LEGWN, "IWANNHS ESTIN ONOMA AUTOU."
Obviously this is a different word from πλάξ [PLAC], but it is interesting to compare the two words. Πινακίδιον [PINAKIDION] is a diminuative of πίναξ [PINAC] which references a flat dish or platter. It would thus seem that the flatness of the object is largely what is concerned.
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From: Susan Jeffers <susan at read-the-bible.org>
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Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Teach Nouns or Verbs first?
Randall Buth wrote:
Has anyone on the list read the first 50 pages of Asher's book since the
comments a week or so ago?
No.... I ordered a copy, though, and it arrived yesterday :-)
"A student can learn APSAI THS TRAPEZHS in day one."
Shouldn't that be hAPSESQAI? There are evidently only 2 occurrences of
hAPTW infinitives in the NT, both middle deponent; the 3 imperatives I
find in the NT are also middle.... I say that realizing that "middle
deponent" is probably politically incorrect here on b-greek, but I'm
just speaking of the morphology.
I LOVE the idea of starting students, even my online students, with
comprehensible short sentences that they can internalize. But I resist
introducing sentences that don't closely follow biblical usage -- since
reading the Bible in Greek is THE reason my students sign up. Not to
mention the fact that I have to struggle to make up my own Greek
sentences, and following the Bible's usage closely is my safety-net.
> "GRAPSAI KEFALHN EPI THN PLAKA."
Similarly, I resist using a Greek word (PLAX) that (as far as I can tell
in a quick search) is used in the Bible with only one referent - the
"tablets" on which were written the 10 commandments, and its
metaphorical extension in 2 Cor 3:3 -- for a mundane "tablet" (or
chalkboard?). I suppose PLAX is the best choice if one MUST speak of a
classroom object with no biblical word -- I realize there are no
chalkboards or flipcharts in the Bible -- but my students are keenly
motivated to understand what such words mean in Biblical context -- I
expect making up new meanings for them would be a de-motivator.
Other than these small quibbles, Randall is preaching to the choir, as
far as I'm concerned. Unfortunately I'm a tone-deaf choir member with
laryngitis. I love the concept, but I've made extremely slow progress
In my teaching of introductory Greek, I've recently switched from using
Mounce to Croy, whose brevity allows me a lot more room to add my own
materials, and who also makes good use of made-up sentences to
illustrate the grammar from each chapter. His sentences for the most
part follow biblical usage pretty closely, which I like. I'm hoping I'll
find time to make short, intelligible, sentence drills for at least the
first few chapters, for students to practice with, and maybe add a
chapter or two each time I teach. If anyone has done something like this
to go with Croy, and you'd be willing to share, please email me off-list.
By the way, since the subject of this thread is "Teach nouns or verbs
first?" -- Croy introduces some simple verb and noun forms, both, in the
very first lessons, so students have vocabulary and grammar to put
together and understand many sentences right from the start. I don't
have the book handy, but I believe he does present active indicative and
infinitive forms in lesson 2, and the first declension in lesson 3. It
works well, in my limited experience so far.
χαρις υμιν και ειρηνη!
(did that attempt at unicode come through for y'all? I meant to write
charis humin kai eirene, CARIS hUMIN KAI EIRHNH...)
> Why do this when none of the traditional textbooks are
> designed this way?
> Because students will learn faster.
> They will remember and recall it longer. Because its
> more efficient and its more fun.
> Because it builds internalization.
> It produces happier students.
> And it's real challenging for a teacher, and teachers
> love challenges.
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