[B-Greek] A new stab at voice

Donald R. Vance, Ph.D. donaldrvance at mac.com
Thu Oct 18 11:41:30 EDT 2007


It's for discussions like this that I subscribe to B-Greek. I'm  
learning a lot just listening.

Donald R. Vance, Ph.D.
Professor of Biblical Languages and Literature
Oral Roberts University
dvance at oru.edu
donaldrvance at mac.com


On Oct 18, 2007, at 10:34 AM, Kimmo Huovila wrote:

> I'll illustrate from English.
> (1) Bill (agent) opened the door (patient) with a key (instrument).
> (2) The door (author in this sentence according to Frawley if I  
> understand him
> right) opened with a key (instrument).
> (3) A key (instrument) opened the door (patient).
> (4) The door  (author (or patient?)) opened.
> But NOT
> (5) *The door (author or patient subject) opened with a key  
> (instrument) by
> Bill (agent).
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Kimmo
>
> On Thursday 18 October 2007, Elizabeth Kline wrote:
>>
>> On Oct 17, 2007, at 12:24 PM, Kimmo Huovila wrote:
>>
>>> The hierarchy is agent>author>instrument>patient. The rule is that
>>> the subject
>>> of an active verb is not lower in the hierarchy than other roles in
>>> the verb
>>> frame.
>>>
>>>> b. What is the rationale for this hierarchy?
>>>
>>> I used William Frawley's Linguistc Semantics (1992), pp. 240-242.
>>> He refers to
>>> Charles Fillmore's The case for case (1968) and adds 'author' to
>>> Fillmore's
>>> subject hierarchy. I have understood subject hierarchy to be fairly
>>> universal
>>> in languages that have a clear subject category. I cannot think of
>>> Greek
>>> counter-examples. Subject hierarchy is discussed in many linguistic
>>> sources,
>>> I just happened to use Frawley.
>>
>>
>> Kimmo,
>>
>> I suspect that the implications of "The rule is ..."  are less than
>> perfectly clear to some list members. I just looked at B.J.Blake's
>> (Case, Cambridge 1994 page 91ff) discussion of C.Fillmore and S.Dik's
>> use of hierarchy and I still don't understand what point you are
>> attempting to make or what a Greek counter-example would look like.
>>
>>
>> Elizabeth Kline
>>
>>
>>
>>
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