[B-Greek] PAS in Colossians 1:15-20 and tense in v.20

Carl W. Conrad cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Thu Oct 11 10:33:26 EDT 2007


On Oct 11, 2007, at 10:15 AM, kramer kramer wrote:

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> Colossians 1:16 (KJV)For by him were all things created, that are  
> in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether  
> [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all  
> things were created by him, and for him:
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>   Do THRONOS, KURIOTES, ARCHE and EXOUSIA refer to actual persons  
> who hold positions of power, or does it merely refer to the  
> positions of power.  I have a friend who claims that the lack of a  
> pronoun in the text indicates that the positions of authority are  
> in view and not the actual persons who occupy these positions.  Is  
> this the case?

Col. 1:16 	ὅτι ἐν αὐτῷ ἐκτίσθη τὰ πάντα
	ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς καὶ ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς,
	τὰ ὁρατὰ καὶ τὰ ἀόρατα,
	εἴτε θρόνοι εἴτε κυριότητες
	εἴτε ἀρχαὶ εἴτε ἐξουσίαι·
	τὰ πάντα δι᾿ αὐτοῦ καὶ εἰς αὐτὸν  
ἔκτισται·
hOTI EN AUTWi EKTISQH TA PANTA
EN TOIS OURANOIS KAI EPI THS GHS,
TA hORATA KAI TA AORATA,
EITE QRONOI EITE KURIOTHTES
EITE ARCAI EITE EXOUSIAI:
TA PANTA DI' AUTOU KAI EIS AUTON EKTISTAI.

This may well be related to the phrasing of Rom 8:38-39
οὔτε θάνατος οὔτε ζωὴ οὔτε ἄγγελοι  
οὔτε ἀρχαὶ οὔτε ἐνεστῶτα οὔτε  
μέλλοντα οὔτε δυνάμεις  39 οὔτε  
ὕψωμα οὔτε βάθος οὔτε τις κτίσις  
ἑτέρα
OUTE QANATOS OUTE ZWH OUTE AGGELOI OUTE ARCAI OUTE ENESTWTA OUTE  
MELLONTA OUTE DUNAMEIS 39 OUTE hUYWMA OUTE BAQOS OUTE TIS KTISIS  
hETERA ...

You might check BDAG s.v. KURIOTHS §3, ARCH §§6-7, QRONOS §3.
Some think that there are astral powers, whether real or imagined  
(astrological) involved here. I don't think there's any distinct  
personal references here; I also don't think there's likely to be any  
full consensus on precisely what elements are being referred to here.


Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Ret)




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