[B-Greek] Luke 5:35 KAI hOTAN
George F Somsel
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Thu Jul 5 07:55:08 EDT 2007
382. Ὅτε [hOTE] and ὅταν [hOTAN]. (1) Ὅτε [hOTE] is very frequently followed by the aorist indicative, but also takes the imperfect, perfect, present, and future according to the circumstances. The last usually occurs in constructions like ἔρχεται ὥρα, ὅτε προσκυνήσετε [ERXETAI hWRA, hOTE PROSKUNHSETE] Jn 4:21, to which relative constructions like οὐδέν ἐστιν κεκαλυμμένον, ὃ οὐκ ἀποκαλυφθήσεται [OUDEN ESTIN KEKALUMMENON, hO OUK APOKALUFQHSETAI] Mt 10:26 are closely related. (2) Consequently, in accordance with §379 the subjunctive (without ἄν [AN]) for this future is also possible: Lk 13:35 ἕως ἥξει ὅτε [hEWS hHCEI hOTE] (‘the time when’) εἴπητε [EIPHTE] AD al. (3) Otherwise ‘the day when’ is expressed by ἡμέρα ὅταν [hHMERA hOTAN] with the subjunctive: Mt 9:15 (= Mk 2:20) ἐλεύσονται ἡμέραι ὅταν ἀπαρθῇ [ELEUSONTAIN
hHMERAI hOTAN APARQHi].
(3) Lk 5:35 in the par. to Mt 9:15 uses a clumsy but more correct construction: ἐλεύσονται ἡμέραι καὶ [ELEUSONTAI hHMERAI KAI] (§442(4)) ὅταν ἀπαρθῇ …, τότε νηστεύσουσιν [hOTAN APARQHi …, TOTE NHSTEUSOUSIN] (om. καί [KAI] SC al.). Ὅταν [hOTAN] Mt 26:29 (Mk 14:25) is more legitimate in the construction ἕως τῆς ἡμέρας ἐκείνης ὅταν πίνω [hEWS THS hHMERAS EKEINHS hOTAN PINW], since this phrase is a periphrasis for Att. πρὶν ἄν [PRIN AN]. With ὅτε [hOTE] and the future in this phrase R 2:16 ἐν ἡμέρᾳ ὅτε κρινεῖ [EN hHMERAi hOTE KRINEI], but v.l. ἐν ᾗ ἡμ. κρινεῖ [EN hHi hHM. KRINEI]; Marcion by all appearances read neither the former nor the latter, but read it with asyndeton: ἀπολογουμένων. κρινεῖ etc. [APOLOGOUMENWN. KRINEI, κτλ], whereby the passage becomes correct.
Blass, F., Debrunner, A., & Funk, R. W. (1961). A Greek grammar of the New Testament and other early Christian literature (193). Chicago: University of Chicago Press.
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From: Jonathan Robie <jwrobie at mindspring.com>
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Subject: [B-Greek] Luke 5:35 KAI hOTAN
Luke 5:35 (Unicode)
ἐλεύσονται δὲ ἡμέραι,
**καὶ ὅταν** ἀπαρθῇ ἀπ αὐτῶν ὁ νυμφίος
ἐν ἐκείναις ταῖς ἡμέραις.
Luke 5:35 (B-Greek Transcription)
ELEUSONTAI DE hHMERAI
**KAI hOTAN** APARQH AP AUTWN hO NUMPHIOS
EN EKEINAIS TAIS hHMERAIS
I'm trying to grasp the force of KAI hOTAN in this text. The comma before it
and my perhaps English sense of KAI make me think it should say something like:
"But the days are coming, and when the bridegroom has been taken from them ...."
But at least one reliable translation treats this more like:
"But the days are coming when the bridegroom is taken from them..."
What is the force of KAI hOTAN here?
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