[B-Greek] unicode

Carl W. Conrad cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Thu Aug 16 13:15:46 EDT 2007

On Aug 16, 2007, at 1:09 PM, Peter Bekins wrote:

> Carl,
> Unicode is indeed "plain text", but when I received the digest in
> "plain text mode" it included the header:
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> I assume that this is set to "us-ascii" by the digest program based
> on the option "plain text" defined as "not-MIME". Plain text SMTP e-
> mail is limited to 7-bit ASCII format. MIME is required to transmit e-
> mail in other text encodings such as UTF-8.
>  From lurking on the list,  I have noticed that most often people
> having issues with unicode are those who are subscribing to the
> digest, and I assume therefore that this is the main culprit for such
> problems.
> If you are not subscribed to the digest, but are having problems with
> unicode then indeed it is either your client's text encoding settings
> or those of the person who sent the e-mail.

I have no problem with Unicode Greek text, when it's rightly entered,  
in individual messages or in the digest; I subscribe to both and I  
take the digest in plain-text format, not MIME. I have found often  
when a message uses Unicode Greek text that I have to change the text  
coding to Unicode UTF-8 in order to read it correctly; otherwise it  
appears as gobbledygook; and it always appears as gobbledygook if it  
hasn't been entered correctly -- unless one happens to have in one's  
own computer system the Greek font in which the original was typed  
(or, more likely, pasted).


> On Aug 16, 2007, at 12:46 PM, Carl W. Conrad wrote:
>> On Aug 16, 2007, at 12:34 PM, Peter Bekins wrote:
>>> Bert,
>>> This came up on B-Hebrew as well. I receive the digest of both lists
>>> and I have never been able to read the unicode. I have a Mac so I  
>>> was
>>> pretty sure it had nothing to do with UTF-8 settings. Then someone
>>> finally mentioned that there is an option when you first registered
>>> for the list that sets whether you want to receive plain text or
>>> MIME-
>>> encoded messages. Mine was set to plain text for both which explains
>>> why Unicode doesn't work.
>>> To change the setting go to the B-Greek page  http://
>>> lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-greek. At the bottom of the  
>>> page
>>> enter your e-mail into the field labeled "unsubscribe or edit
>>> options" and click the button. Enter your password and precede to  
>>> the
>>> options page. Set "Get MIME or Plain Text Digests" to MIME.
>>> For future reference this is most likely the culprit and not e-mail
>>> client settings unless you are using a really old e-mail client.
>> You can change your DIGEST settings from plain-text to MIME, but
>> that doesn't really affect the Unicode because UTF-8 is in fact
>> plain-text. And there's no option to receive messages individually
>> in MIME-format -- and most of us can read the Unicode Greek texts
>> that are correctly entered.
>> Carl W. Conrad
>>>> Message: 5
>>>> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:26:12 +0000
>>>> From: "Bert de Haan" <b_dehaan at sympatico.ca>
>>>> Subject: [B-Greek] Unicode
>>>> To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
>>>> Message-ID: <BAY122-F379D9255E62C4EDF8966518BDF0 at phx.gbl>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>>>> Does anyone know why I can't read the unicode when I read the e-
>>>> mail but I
>>>> can if I go to the archives to read the same message?  Does that
>>>> have
>>>> something to do with the B-Greek's system or do I have to change
>>>> something
>>>> in my computer settings?
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> Bert de Haan.
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