[B-Greek] The divine name in Gk MSS

Webb webb at selftest.net
Thu Nov 30 21:04:38 EST 2006

The acid test of this theory, it would seem to me, is whether the title
KURIOS, "lord", when unambiguously referring to Jesus (which it very often
does), is typically abbreviated to KS or KU (not KY--let's stop using the
b-greek transliteration for psi), etc. You can't say that the abbreviation
KS means the Lord Jesus in one place, but has the special meaning of
standing in for the tetragrammaton elsewhere, where it refers to God. 

Webb Mealy

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Sorry for my shoddy work earlier; I was multitasking.   Let me preface 
this by saying that I do not necessarily agree with this theory.

Webb Mealy is correct: Y at the end of QY is a vowel.  The theory goes 
that eventually the idea of leaving out vowels for reverential names was 
replaced by using just the first and last letter of the name. 

The theory also suggests KY and QY (with a bar over them) were used to 
translate the Tetragrammaton when the NT quoted the Hebrew Scriptures; 
thus the Tetragrammaton might have been written in the original texts.

The following link will give a better example of this theory (where KY 
with a bar over it is used for KURIOY in the 14th line):


Here is the article that started this idea:

Howard, George. "The tetragram and the New Testament." Journal of 
Biblical Literature 96, no. 1 (1977): 63-83.

Elliot Poe

frjsilver at optonline.net wrote:

>Dear Friends --
>This is the first time I've heard of this, but there are many things I
haven't heard of.
>My own ignorance notwithstanding, this seems to me highly unlikely,
especially given the euphemistic conventions in place well before the 1st
Christian century.
>I'm sure we're all familiar with PIPI (Hebrew YHWH, right to left and in
somewhat similar-looking Greek characters) occasionally found in manuscripts
of the Greek 70, but which was ultimately (standardly?) supplanted by
>But NT appearances?  That's a new one.
>Perhaps the two 4th-c MS mentioned here rely on this tradition, but if they
do, I wonder if they exhibit other interesting variations.  Is there a
reference for the research done on these texts?
>Peace and blessings to all.
>Father James Silver
>Monk James
>Orthodox Church in America
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Anthony Buzzard 
>Date: Thursday, November 30, 2006 5:58 pm
>Subject: [B-Greek] The divine name in Gk MSS
>To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
>>Gentlemen, I am not sure if this a permissible subject on this 
>>list, but if it is, can anyone confirm this statement. I had 
>>heard this. I have no interest at all in "plugging" the divine 
>>in Hebrew. or Greek.
>>Anthony Buzzard
>>"There is manuscript evidence for the tetragrammaton in the NT 
>>to 200 A.D. The 2 fullest and most significant Mss dated prior 
>>to the 
>>4th Century proving this are P46 and P45, both of which are from 
>>Egypt. It seems these 2 Mss date between 80 -120 years after the 
>>original autographs, and have the tetragrammaton."
>>Anthony Buzzard
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