[B-Greek] KURIOS hO QEOS hO PANTOKRATWR (Rev. 4:8)
webb at selftest.net
Tue Nov 7 15:48:27 EST 2006
Thanks for the information, Bryant. It's good stuff. At the same time, it's
not what I'm really fishing for. Maybe it's my weakness in reading Greek,
but I want to know whether a Koine Greek speaking person, not knowing
everything you just brought forward, might hear a predication being made
when presented with the words KURIOS hO QEOS hO PANTOKRATWR.
I feel pretty ignorant asking, but is there any rule of grammar that would
give the clue to a secular Koine Greek speaker that KURIOS is attributive
rather than predicative in this phrase?
From: Bryant J. Williams III [mailto:bjwvmw at com-pair.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 12:32 PM
To: Webb; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] KURIOS hO QEOS hO PANTOKRATWR (Rev. 4:8)
It is used as title by John in Revelation which is alluding to its OT usage
found in the paragraphs below. I read the KURIOS hO QEOS hO PANTOKRATWR, as
a title, "The Lord God Almighty" found in Revelation 4:8; 11:17; 15:3; 16:7,
14; 21:22. The MT/LXX of Isaiah 6:4 has, "YHWH SeBAOTH." KURIOS = YHWH,
SABAWQ = SeBAOTH (which is transliterated).
hO DE KURIOS hO QEOS hO PANTOKRATWR is found in Hosea 12:6; Amos 3:13; 5:14,
15, 16. There the LXX translates hO KURIOS = YHWH, hO QEOS = 'eLoHEy, hO
PANTOKRATWR = HaZeBa'oTH.
In fact, PANTOKRATWR is used to translate both Sabaoth and Shaddai and is
NOT found before the LXX. Job 8:5 has PROS KURION PANTOKRATORA for 'EL-'EL
We'EL-SHADDAI. (See Colin Brown, Vol. 3, pp 716-718).
KURIOS PANTOKRATWR is used in Zechariah 1:3 (paralleled by KURIOS TWN
DUNAMEWN, 2x), 1:4, 6, 12 (KURIE) , 14; 81, 2, 3, 4, 6(2x), 7, 9(2x), 11,14,
17, 18, 20, 21, 23; Malachi 1:4, 6, 8, 9, 10,11, 12, 13, 14. Every one of
these instances translate YHWH SABAOTH.
Rev. Bryant J. Williams III
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From: "Webb" <webb at selftest.net>
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Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:17 AM
Subject: [B-Greek] KURIOS hO QEOS hO PANTOKRATWR (Rev. 4:8)
> If we assume that hAGIOS hAGIOS hAGIOS consists of three grammatically
> independent shouts of acclamation, can somebody give me a reason strictly
> the basis of Greek grammar (not from LXX or MT of Isa. 6) why the
> phrase, KURIOS hO QEOS hO PANTOKRATWR, wouldn't look to a Greek speaker
> "God the All-Powerful is Lord!"
> Webb Mealy
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