[B-Greek] citation of church fathers in UBS

Matt Rondeau mrondeau at mhc-oxford.org
Thu Mar 23 13:02:55 EST 2006

    I'm currently writing a textual criticism essay on John 12:28, and I was
wondering if anyone could help me in regards to locating specific instances
where the church fathers quote from a particular verse.  For instance, John
12:28 has a note of Augustine 1/3 meaning that he cites the aforementioned
verse 3 times, and once he agrees with this particular variant.  My problem
is that I can't seem to find where Augustine actually cites this verse, or
any other fathers for that matter.  It seems that I would have to read every
work written by them to find the citations.  I've checked the Loeb series,
but many of them don't have scripture indexes.  Any help is greatly

Matthew Rondeau

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Today's Topics:

   1. some more body functions for KOINE (Randall Buth)
   2. Re: McKay, A New Syntax (1994)  out of print (Con R. Campbell)
   3. Update to Greek New Testament site (Richard Wilson)
   4. Near synonyms as "perlocutionary" force (Carl W. Conrad)


Message: 1
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:24:54 +0200
From: "Randall Buth" <randallbuth at gmail.com>
Subject: [B-Greek] some more body functions for KOINE
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While reading Yona in LXX I ran across some funny stuff and
I'll list a couple of points, without checking if they are previous on
this list or their scholarly discussion.

1. Hebrew to 1:5c 'and lay down (to sleep) and fell deeply asleep
vayeradam (pausal for vayyeradem).' The LXX rather graphically has
and was sleeping and was SNORING away. Nice translation. Attention-getting.
The follow up (1:6) is just as lively, if not consistent:
TI SU REGXEIS? Why are you snoring?

2. The boat in 1:3 is mentioned as
'he found a boat stepping out to Tarshish.

When I first started giving commands in a classroom to 'walk to the
door' I used words like periPAtei.
This has in its favor that fact that it is used in the NT, but I felt
uncomfortable since it is not typically used directionally. Another
Greek word is available BADISON (BADISAI/BADIZEIN 'to walk, step,
march'. I would currently prefer to say BADISON EIS THN QURAN.)
Here in Jona, it stretches this usage and one wonders if it carries
enough of its origin to add something picturesque. Or was it so dead
as to mean simply 'go'?

Randall Buth

Randall Buth, PhD
ybitan at mscc.huji.ac.il
randallbuth at gmail.com


Message: 2
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 08:05:05 +1100
From: "Con R. Campbell" <Con.Campbell at moore.edu.au>
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] McKay, A New Syntax (1994)  out of print
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Moore Books has 23 copies of McKay?s book, for AUD $29.95. When Ken?s book
went out of print he sold most his remaining copies to Moore. You can buy it
online at www.moorebooks.com.au



Con R. Campbell

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On 22/3/06 10:40 PM, "David McKay" <david.mckay at ozemail.com.au> wrote:

> Hi Mitch I am not related to this famous Aussie [pronounced Ozzie] but I
> it is Kenneth L McKay. However, I do have a beautiful daughter Catherine,
> 9 months ago presented me with a lovely grandson she has called Jerome.
> if he'll be a scholar, like his namesake? David McKay www.davidmckay.info
> <http://www.davidmckay.info> Does anyone know of any book store carrying
> no-longer-published book? Why does Amazon list it as "Kathryn L. McKay"?
Is it
> worth getting? (Anytime I see someone who is a 'Classical scholar' my
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:52:04 +0100
From: "Richard Wilson" <richard at laparola.net>
Subject: [B-Greek] Update to Greek New Testament site
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My site http://www.laparola.net/greco/ was mentioned here a few weeks ago,
but it has just undergone a big update. Every word's page (which opens when
you click on a word in a Greek text) now has links to two more on-line
dictionaries, and a list of the categories it is in in the Louw-Nida
lexicon. You can also search for a word by its Louw-Nida category, which
makes to easier to find verses on a certain subject rather than containing a
certain word. For the text critics, there are some corrections to the
variant readings, and a lot of new readings and supporting manuscripts
listed, especially in Mark and Luke. You can also download all the variant
readings as a series of RTF files, so that you can read them off line in
Word or another word processor.

Richard Wilson


Message: 4
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 07:00:09 -0500
From: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu>
Subject: [B-Greek] Near synonyms as "perlocutionary" force
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There's a nice post by Richard Rhodes this morning on the Better
Bibles Blog on the importance of getting the nuance right when
dealing with the near synonyms for judgment of a proposition's truth-
found at


Louw & Nida ?31.29 list these words but don't differentiate them as a
good thesaurus would English words. BDAG endeavors to get at the
nuanced sense of each of these words, but I haven't noted any attempt
to differentiate them from each other. What Richard writes at the
above URL is focused upon translation questions, but of course
accurate translation must necessarily be grounded in clear
understanding of the precise meaning of the original text.

Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Emeritus)
1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
cwconrad2 at mac.com
WWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/


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