[B-Greek] TADE in Revelation
albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca
Thu Mar 16 13:09:18 EST 2006
Since the LXX uses both TADE LEGEI and OUTWS LEGEI (EIPEN) for KO AMAR,
glosses them respectively as "This is what X says" and "Thus says
(said)." The question is whether in the LXX we are dealing with a free
variant or whether there is more to it. Since the issue is of immediate
relevance for the SO-CALLED two halves of Greek Jeremiah, I deal with
it to some extent in the introduction to that book, posted on the NETS
website http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/nets/edition/ More needs to be done
of course, but a beginning has been made.
On Mar 16, 2006, at 2:32 PM, Iver Larsen wrote:
>> My thought was that it may represent a heavy influence from Ezekiel
>> the other prophetic LXX literature. Outside of some use in 1 & 2
>> and 1 & 2 Kings, it is rarely used in the LXX...except for the
>> Perhaps with 10% of the verses in Ezekiel using this term and no other
>> LXX text or NT book coming near that percentage, except for Jeremiah
>> Zecheriah...with a lot of uses in Isaiah as well! So in the
>> contemporary literature that was Apocalyptic in (Jewish & Christian
>> first/second century) was this phrase used? So should we to capture
>> flavor then translate this into modern english using King James style
>> "Thus sayeth the Lord" to be true to the text...as you are saying?
>> Would that be something to have the NIV suddenly read in a place like
>> this "Thus sayeth the Lord"....
> I am not able to check usage in contemporary apocalyptic literature.
> Having looked at this a bit more, I no longer think that it is as
> unusual and marked as the English "thus". TADE seems
> to be the normal word to use in this particular construction where you
> need a kataphoric demonstrative before LEGEI,
> since hOUTOS is always anaphoric in connection with LEGW. It seems to
> be a construction that is almost exclusively used
> in prophetic contexts, at least at the time of the NT.
> I would not suggest "thus" for a modern English translation. And if
> you wanted to indicate a link to the OT prophetic
> books, you would have to use "thus" there, too.
> Iver Larsen
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