[B-Greek] Rm. 8:20: "EF' hELPIDI"
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Mon Jun 26 20:02:23 EDT 2006
Dear Friends --
I'm always grateful for the comments posted by Profs Conrad and Buth.
In the current vein, what can be said of 'alleluia' VS _haleluYah_? The form ALLHLOUIA (four syllables) lacks an aspirate in the Greek 70 and in Revelation, its only NT locus
In orthodox Christian liturgical usage, we've inherited that very strange -- if explainable -- pronunciation: ALLHLOUIA. In Japan, the orthodox sing _ah - ree -RU -ee --ah_, since they got it from Russia, and since L and R have a special allophonic relationship in Japanese.
Every language has its own phonemic restrictions, but there's no reason why we, in English, couldn't (like Handel) say something closer to _haleluYah_, right?
Apart from a Latin interlocution between Greek and English, what happened?!
Peace and blessings to all.
----- Original Message -----
From: Randall Buth
Date: Sunday, June 25, 2006 1:14 pm
Subject: [B-Greek] Rm. 8:20: "EF' hELPIDI"
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Cc: Randall Buth
> >> Romans 8:20: "THi GAR MATAIOTHTI hH KTISIS hUPETAGH, OUC hEKOUSA
> >> ALLA DIA TON hUPOTAXANTA, EF' hELPIDI..."
> >> I don't whether this has come up before, but I was wondering
> >> whether "EF' hELPIDI" was an unusual form, which seems (to
> me) more
> >> likely than a printer's error.
> >> Andrew J. Birch
> >> Palma de Mallorca, Spain
> >It does make you sit up and take notice, doesn't it? This is
> what is
> >(un)commonly termed "Cockney Koine" or "orrible haspiration,"
> or the
> >like. ;-)
> >I'll cite the opening section of BDF ("Orthography"), specifically
> >the section on "Breathing", §14:
> >" ... non-Attic rough breathing ... in the case of hELPIS, hIDEIN,
> hIDIOS, hOLIGOS, hEFIORKEIN, alone, where aspiration in the NT is
> frequent and strongly attested, aspiration is supported by other MS
> tradition, by inscriptions and papyri ... The basis of the phenomenon
> in any case is to be sought in analogies (Schywyzer I 305): hAFIDEIN
> following AFORAN, KAQ' hIDIAN following KAQ' hEAUTON, OUC hOLIGOS
> following OUC hHTTWN ... " The reading EF' hELPIDI in Rom 8:20 is
> noted in p46, p46 also has it at 1 Cor 9:10, but USB4/NA27 has EP'
> ELPIDI there.
> >Carl W. Conrad
> This was worth looking up in Swanson, Romans, who was just cited
> another post.
> It turns out that the Alexandrian witnesses p75, B, and alef all
> EF' ELPIDI. Their historical fidelity shows thru in their
> ability to
> preserve a reading that would not have been accepted by the
> Alexandrine academy. Also, D and F, a 9th century text, read EF.
> may assume that Paul's letter likely had EF ELPIDI, which he or
> scribe wrote.
> Several, e.g. Gignac, Horrocks, have questioned whether, and to
> extent, the rough breathing was in use in the common era. It
> that the psilotic (no "h" pronounced) ancient Ionic was winning
> in the game of laisez-faire Koine/post-Alexander Greek. Thus, it
> likely that Paul would have said ELPIS, without an 'h', but he
> or a
> scribe may have "hypercorrected" to EF ELPIS when adding the
> preposition. As BDF and Schywyzer argue, semantic analogy played
> role in choosing allomorphs (variant forms) like EP/EF, AP/AF,
> OUX. [Semantic analogy is not a phonetic phenomenon and is more
> likely to occur or be accepted where phonetic aspiration was no
> longer in use]
> It was such morphological pairs that helped to maintain the
> tradition of aspiration throughout the centuries, even when no
> was sounded on any of the following words. That is, KAQ' HMERAN
> preserved HMERA as belonging to a list of aspirates, despite
> being pronounced without an 'h' aspiration. The phenomenon that
> calls "orrible haspiration" illustrates the spelling problems
> arise when a speaker without 'h' has to write words where some,
> not all words, need to have 'h' written.
> Randall Buth
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