frjsilver at optonline.net frjsilver at optonline.net
Mon Jun 5 18:39:37 EDT 2006

Dear Friends --

In English, we have such expressions as 'double speak' and 'talking out of both sides of his mouth', 'speaks with forked tongue', etc.

I think DILOGOS can pretty much find a place in that semantic field.

Peace and blessings to all.

Father James Silver

Monk James
Orthodox Church in America

----- Original Message -----
From: Harold Holmyard <hholmyard at ont.com>
Date: Monday, June 5, 2006 5:59 pm
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] DILOGOS

> Dear Dave,
> >I find DILOGOS in 3:8 and Polycarp to the Philippians 5:2. Both 
> contexts are
> >pastoral and both refer directly to the office of 
> deacons/ministers. In
> >these two context, it is a negative requirement. i.e. 
> deacons/ministers are
> >not to be this way. When I first noticed this post, I recalled the
> >prohibitions in the Epistle of James and very often in Hermas to 
> not be
> >DIPSUCOS, double-souled or doubting/uncommitted. Living according 
> to divine
> >reason (LOGOS) is a prominent theme as far back as Justin Martyr, 
> and may
> >reach back through the Johannine school and Philo, in religious 
> circles.>Justin wished to trace it to Plato and Socrates. DILOGOS 
> characterizes one
> >who is not serious about matters at hand (SEMNOS 1 Tim 3:8). Both 
> Polycarp>and 1 Tim. speak of money, shameful gain in one and love 
> of silver in the
> >other. It seems much like a person who can not make up his mind, 
> whether to
> >peruse the ministry for personal gain or the glory of God. In 
> this, it may
> >be parallel to DIPSUCOS. The verbal form, DIALOGISMOS carries the 
> idea of
> >doubt, and so does DIPSUCOS.
> >
> >These are my preliminary thoughts on this word and, I hope, a 
> springboard>for the insight of others.
> >  
> >
> HH: LSJ offers "doubtful"and "double-tongued" and cites 1 Tim 3:8. 
> The 
> word means "double-tongued" or "insincere" according to BAGD, 
> citing Pol 
> 5:2 and Moulton & Milligan. The NET Bible translates it as "two-
> faced" 
> and has this note:
> Or “insincere,” “deceitful”; Grk “speaking double.”
> Yours,
> Harold Holmyard
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