[B-Greek] TIMWSI TON HUION KAQWS TIMWSI TON PATERA "They should honor the Son just as they honor the Father"

Danny Dixon BereanDAD2003 at yahoo.com
Fri Jun 2 13:03:04 EDT 2006

 Iver, you've suggested that "[s]ense a and c are very close, and they
reflect the common and basic sense of comparison indicated by KAQWS."

In L&N sense "a" communicates "to the degree that"/"just as."

In L&N sense "c" communicates "just as"/"in comparison to."

You also conclude that "it seems fairly clear that the sense intended in
John 5:23 is sense 1 in BAGD or c in L&N."

And you point out that BAGD gives sense 1 as "indicating comparison: just

As you say, that "sense a and c are very close," L&N and BAGD obviously see
that similarity since they both see "just as" as an adequate translation. I
am not altogether certain that they are "close" for that reason alone, as
sense 1 in BAGD and c in L&N  pretty well mean "in comparison" to in a
weaker sense than sense a in L&N suggest some semblance of EQUALITY, namely
how close is it for the text to say that the Son receives honor because the
Father has bestowed it upon him as compared with the Son receives honor "to
the degree that" the Father receives it. EQUALITY cannot contextually be
said to be "very close" to a mere comparison (for contextual reasons.)

If  KAQWS in the sense of "to the degree that" meant EQUALITY, then the Son
could turn it around and bestow upon the Father something the Father didn't
have until it was bestowed upon Him.

Focused clarification on what the Greek is communicating here
lexically would be helpful. I'm just not sure that saying sense a and c are
similar is helpful. Other thoughts?

Danny Andre' Dixon

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