[B-Greek] Matt 1:20 to gennethen: Beget or conceive?
Bryant J. Williams III
bjwvmw at com-pair.net
Fri Dec 15 15:19:16 EST 2006
Dear Anthony,
Unfortunately, Ringwald does not give the locations in Apollodorus, Lucian or Plutarch. It seems that Ringwald when he stated, "In the secular NT times it GENNAO has the meaning 'COME INTO BEING" (my emphasis), that it is equivalent to "conceive." I take it also that GENNHQEN, to bear of the mother to imply "conception." Certainly, she did not 'beget.' It is also quite evident from the of EGENNHSEN 49x by Matthew for the "father 'begetting' (fathering) so and so" until it reaches Joseph who did NOT 'beget' Jesus. It says in verse 1:16, "and Jacob the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ. Note the use of EGENNHQH "was born" in 1:16b. Thus, in context, EGENNHQEN, in verse 20 would not be able to sustain the meaning of "begat."
BDAG, does list under meaning #2, "of women: bear (Aeschylus., Suppl. 48; X., De Rep. Lac. 1, 3; Lucian, Scrif. 6; Plut., Mor. p. 3c; Ps-Calisth. 1, 9, 2 EK QEOU GENNHSASA PAIDA = a woman who has borne a child to a god;... Hence, 'who has borne' is equivalent to "conceive and gave birth."
It looks like that here is an example where that which is implicit, "conceive" is made explicit.
En Xristwi,
Rev. Bryant J. Williams III
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From: Anthony Buzzard
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Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Matt 1:20 to gennethen: Beget or conceive?
Thanks so much. I note that Thayers renders "that which is begotten in her".
And the RV tells us in the margin of Matt. 1:20 that the "Greek = begotten"
In your citation of the NIDNTT I see no example of "gennethen" (ie gennao) for conception.
Yes, of course, gennao as the causal form of ginomai means to bear of the mother and to beget of the father, but where is the evidence for gennao as "conceive" of the mother?
I was wondering if we can find any examples in the literature of gennao = conceive.
Anthony Buzzard
At 01:25 PM 12/15/2006, Bryant J. Williams III wrote:
Dear Anthony,
BDAG, 2nd Edition, page 155, 2nd column, top of page, translates MT 1:20,
"TO EN AUTHi GENNHQEN EK PNEUMATOS ESTIN that which is conceived in her is
of the Spirit Mt 1:20 (TO GENNHQEN of that which is yet unborn: Diod. S. 17,
77, 3).
NIDNTT, Colin Brown, Volume 1, pp. 176-179, article, "Birth," by A.
Ringwald, states the following regarding the use of GENNAO,
"CL GENNAO is a causal form of GINOMAI (Liddell-Scott, 344).Cf. the
back-formation GENNA, origin race, birth. It belongs to the same root GEN-
which appears in various Lat. words like GENUS (race), Old High German KIND,
(child) and various derivatives via Lat. such as pregnant, malignant (cf.
Lat. (G)NASCOR, to be born; NATUS, born, birth; NATURA, birth, nature;
NAEVUS, birth mark, mole).
Like>TIKTO and TEKNOO, GENNAO IS USED OF BEGETTING by the father and
bearing by the mother as in the Heb. equivalents, the LXX, and the NT. The
is certainly the case in later Gk. literature (Apollodorus, Lucian,
Plutarch). In the secular world of the NT times GENNAO has the meaning of
"come into being" as well as "produce" in a metaphorical or vague general
senses (cf. 2 Tim. 2:23 of quarrels; Gal. 4:24 of the covenants). (p. 176)
"The actual meaning of GENNAO must be determined by the context in both its
active and passive forms, as it is used of both of the father and the mother
as in cl. Gk. (cf. Matt. 1:3, 5f.; 2:1, 4; 19:12; Lk. 1:13; Jn 9:34; 16:21;
Gal. 4:23). It is, however, used in a fig. or extended sense as follows:
..." (p. 178).
En Xristwi,
Rev. Bryant J. Williams III
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Subject: [B-Greek] Matt 1:20 to gennethen: Beget or conceive?
> In Matt. 1:20 TO GENNETHEN is rendered generally as "what is conceived in
her"
> Can anyone comment on that translation? Is not GENNAO really a
> begetting here, the action of the father? Is GENNAO elsewhere ever
> translated "conceive"?
> Anthony Buzzard
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