[B-Greek] Rm 9:7a Seed of Abraham or Children of Abraham

Oun Kwon kwonbbl at gmail.com
Sun Apr 30 00:37:21 EDT 2006

Hi Iver,

I hear you well.  (I thought I had checked parsing of PANTES and
TEKNA). I have to rethink to be corrected.

Thanks again.

Oun Kwon.

On 4/29/06, Iver Larsen <iver at larsen.dk> wrote:

> How do you connect PANTES with TEKNA? Since TEKNA is neuter plural and SPERMA is neuter singular, I cannot see how the
> masculine plural PANTES can modify either of the two. There is no phrase in the text that can be translated "all
> children".
> Therefore, I take PANTES to function substantively (with an implied ANQRWPOI) so that the construction is:
> "and not all (people/Jews - cf. PANTES hOI EX ISRAHL just before) (are) children (of God/Abraham in the spiritual sense)
> because they are Abraham's seed".
> Or following the order slavishly:
> "and not because they are seed of Abraham (are) all (Jews) children (of God/Abraham in the spiritual sense)."
> Since SPERMA and ABRAAM are placed together, it seems most reasonable to take them together as "seed(descendants) of
> Abraham". To connect TEKNA with ABRAAM to get "children of Abraham" seems highly unlikely in view of the word order.
> However, you may assume an implied second ABRAAM, carried over from the first one.
> PANTES is then the subject for both the implied EISIN and the explicit EISIN with SPERMA ABRAAM the predicate.
> I don't think the focus is between TEKNA and SPERMA, but between the physical and spiritual sense of either of these
> words. In any case, the verse is further explained in the following verse where TEKNA THS SARKOS are contrasted to TEKNA

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