[B-Greek] Rm 9:7a Seed of Abraham or Children of Abraham
kwonbbl at gmail.com
Tue Apr 25 19:09:16 EDT 2006
On 4/25/06, gfsomsel at juno.com <gfsomsel at juno.com> wrote:
> Chapter 8
> 31 TI OUN EROUMEN PROS TAUTA?
> Chapter 9
> 6 OUX hOION DE hOTI EKPEPTWKEN hO LOGOS TOU QEOU, OU GAR PANTES hOI EC
> ISRAHL hOUTOI ISRAHL
> 7 OUD' hOTI EISIN SPERMA ABRAAM PANTES TEKNA ALL' EN ISAAK . . .
> I'll spare you the funny little squares that would result if I were to paste
> the Greek into the post. :-)
> 6 By no means [hOION] is it (that) "the word of God has failed", for not all
> those from Israel (these) are Israel
> 7 nor (that) "all children are seed of Abraham", but in Isaak . . .
> 1.f Very oft. the subj. of the hOTI-clause is drawn into the main clause,
> and becomes the object of the latter: EPEGINWSKON AUTOIS hOTI (=hOTI AUTOI)
> SUN TWi IHSOU HSAN Ac 4:13. OIDATE THN OIKIAN STEFANA hOTI (=hOTI hH OIKIA
> S.) ESTIN APARXH 1 Cor 16:15. Cp. Mt 25:24; Mk 12:34; J 8:54; 9:8; Ac 3:10;
> 1 Cor 3:20 (Ps 93:11); 1 Th 2:1; Rv 17:8.
> ** Somet. the subj. is repeated by a demonstrative pron. in the hOTI-clause
> **: [Note: hOUTOI ISRAHL in 9.6]
> EKHRUSSEN TON IHSOUN hOTI hOUTOS ESTIN hO hIOS TOU QEOU Ac 9:20.—Pass. EI
> XRISTOS KHRUSSETAI hOTI EK NEKRWN EGHGERTAI (=EI KHRUSSETAI hOTI XR. EK NEK.
> EG.) 1 Cor 15:12.
> Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., & Bauer, W. (2000). A Greek-English lexicon of the
> New Testament and other early Christian literature. "Based on Walter Bauer's
> Griechisch-deutsches Wr̲terbuch zu den Schriften des Neuen Testaments und
> der frhchristlichen [sic] Literatur, sixth edition, ed. Kurt Aland and
> Barbara Aland, with Viktor Reichmann and on previous English editions by
> W.F. Arndt, F.W. Gingrich, and F.W. Danker." (3rd ed.) (732). Chicago:
> University of Chicago Press.
> Think of hOTI here as quotation marks.
>> -- "Oun Kwon" <kwonbbl at gmail.com> wrote:
>> In his wonderful book 'Echoes of Scripture in the
>> Letters of Paul' the
>> author (Richard Hays) gives a somewhat unusual rendering
>> of Rm 9:7a to
>> make me confused.
>> OUD hOTI EISIN SPERMA ABRAAM PANTES TEKNA
>> <not all children of Abraham are 'seed'>.
>> I wonder what happened to 'hOTI'. Since
>> available English
>> translations differ from each other a little bit, I
>> would like put my
>> questions into two to help me clarify:
>> 1. Does ABRAAM modify SPERMA as 'seed of Abraham' or,
>> does it modify
>> TEKNA as 'children of Abraham'?
>> 2. Should I take PANTES TEKNA as a noun phrase as
>> '(they are) all
>> children'? Or is it a clause with the verb lacking
>> but implicit as
>> 'all (are) children'?
>> This is the way I understand the text:
>> "Nor all are [to be] children [of God in promise],
>> [just] because they
>> are seed of Abraham."
It's wonderful. Thanks for making me to have it learned that:
in Gk text OUD (v.7) is coupled with OUC (v.6). Then hOTI in v. 7
should correspond to the same in v.6. Thus, it should be understood as
equivalent to English 'that' in both verses. Most of English
translations (except paraphrase translations) and interlinear ones
take it as 'because' in v.7, while in v. 6 it is rendered as 'that'.
Am I correct if I understand from your rendering that 'PANTES TEKNA'
is the subject of the verb EISIN?
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