[B-Greek] Matthew 28:17: hOI DE EDISTASAN

Mike Sangrey MSangrey at BlueFeltHat.org
Thu Apr 13 09:13:08 EDT 2006

On Thu, 2006-04-13 at 01:28 -0400, Stephen C. Carlson wrote:
> At 01:33 PM 4/13/2006 +1000, Albert & Julia Haig wrote:
> >Please show me an example where the context *demands* that a shift in reference for the pronoun is required, and I will
> believe you. If hOI DE has the meaning you claim, then such examples should be findable.
> The remark "prophesy to us" as a taunt makes the most sense
> if those hitting Jesus were not in his line of sight, i.e.,
> they are hitting him from behind.  On the other hand, those
> spitting in his face are in front of him.  (Matthew mentions
> no blindfold, as it would have been out of place or removed
> for those spitting on his face.)  The Matthean context therefore
> indicates two different groups beating him up in two different
> ways, so the context does call for understanding hOI DE as a
> shift in reference.

This assumes 'prophesy' is predictive or somehow supernatural in vision.
If you take 'prophecy' more along the lines of "preaching or declaring
sinful or correct behavior" then you have the taunting nature of "preach
at us, tell us we're doing something wrong, go ahead..."  In this case,
two groups aren't required.

I haven't had the time to analyze each case, but my cursory skip through
the occurrences in Luke shows me that exegeting all occurrences as two
groups is completely unsupportable.

Frankly, I think the discussion would be helped by generating a clear
and more accurate definition of DISTAZW, since it appears to me that
what's driving the 'two groups' idea is the semantic interaction between

Mike Sangrey                               (msangrey AT BlueFeltHat.org)
Landisburg, Pa.
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            "A net of highly cohesive details reveals the truth."

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