[B-Greek] Matthew 28:17: hOI DE EDISTASAN
George F Somsel
gfsomsel at juno.com
Sun Apr 9 01:18:54 EDT 2006
On Sun, 9 Apr 2006 13:34:40 +1000 (EST) Albert & Julia Haig
<albert_and_julia at yahoo.com.au> writes:
> > [Carl] Sure, but the key element here is the DE with hOI,
> indicating a shift of focus to another group or sub-group.
> > [Harold] DE is contrastive, and hOI can function as a
> demonstrative pronoun implying "some." If Matthew had wanted to say
> that everybody doubted who worshipped, he could have left out the
> Sorry Carl and Harold, but I think I can prove you wrong on this
> 59 verses in Matthew include the phrase hOI DE. Of these, only 27
> occur without a following masculine plural noun (or masculine plural
> participle funtioning as a noun) and hence are strictly analogous to
> this case. In 25 of these cases this phrase is standardly translated
> "and they ..." or "but they", and the hOI completely obviously
> refers to the entire group of people in the context, not just to
> some of them. These 25 cases are:
> 2:5, 2:9, 4:20, 4:22, 8:32, 9:31, 14:17, 14:21, 14:33, 15:34, 15:38,
> 16:7, 16:14, 20:5, 20:31, 21:25, 22:5, 22:19, 26:15, 26:66, 27:4,
> 27:21, 27:23, 27:66, 28:15
> The remaining two cases are 26:67 and the verse in dispute, 28:17.
> In 26:67, as in 28:17, most translations read "and some slapped
> him", or "and others slapped him". However, this seems to me to be
> very dubious, as the verse could easily be read, "then they spat on
> his face and beat him with their fists, and they also slapped him,
> and said ...". In other words, hOI DE in 26:67 could refer to the
> same people doing the beating. Indeed, in light of the 25 cases I
> have cited above, that seems to be overwhelmingly more likely.
> That leaves us with the case in point, 28:17. Even if we accept the
> sense of "some" is legitimate in 26:67, which I don't, the a priori
> chances of that reading here are 1 in 26 (of the 26 other cases of
> the grammatical construction in Matthew, only 1 might mean "some").
> Futhermore, the reading "but they also doubted" seems to me more
> eminently reasonable in context.
> Therefore I conclude that it is the overwhelmingly more likely
> reading. Indeed, most likely Matthew simply never uses hOI DE to
> mean "some", irrespective of its meaning in broader Greek. His
> characteristic meaning seems to be to refer to all the group.
> God bless,
> Albert Haig.
I'm not so sure that you have proven your case. Mt 2.5 might or might
not indicate only SOME. Other cases of the appearance of hOI DE are
part of a participial clause which would therefore be "those who *ing . .
." I haven't checked every instance which you cite since I'm still in
the process of evaluating your conclusion, but my initial reaction is as
above. To establish your argument you will need to restrict yourself to
instances of hOI DE followed by a finite verb.
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