[B-Greek] tenses of GINOMAI

Zhang Jia Jun nuovocp2 at singnet.com.sg
Sun Jun 22 07:37:22 EDT 2003


The use of "deponent" is somewhat an element which has however been used by
Machen in his manual on how to learn NT Greek. While trying to learn my
Latin, via John Collins, the use of "deponent verbs" as a means to teach the
students seem though to be actually very common.

Kevin Teo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu>
To: "Zhang Jia Jun" <nuovocp2 at singnet.com.sg>
Cc: <bertdehaan at gosympatico.ca>; <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] tenses of GINOMAI


> At 1:19 PM +0800 6/22/03, Zhang Jia Jun wrote:
> >GINOMAI is a deponent verb. When we say deponent verb, it means basically
a
> >verb which is passive in form(s), but has an active meaning. Deponent
verbs
> >normally take the passive and the middle verb forms as such, instead of
> >active verb forms. That could explain the reason why GINOMAI only has
four
> >parts. (I am not a linguist here, so maybe, someone who is more familiar
> >with Greek grammar and its structure will be able to give a clearer
> >explanation).
> >
> >Kevin Teo
>
> 1. I cannot let this go by without adding my own note, repeating yet once
> again that the term "deponent" is wholly worthless and tends to distort
any
> understanding of the way voice works in the Greek verb. Most simply
stated,
> the facts are thus: (a) many verbs that follow an active paradigm in
> English or other languages have middle paradigms in ancient Greek
precisely
> because the involvement of the subject in the verbal action or process; in
> several European languages many of these same verbs have a reflexive form
> and must be conjugated with the reflexive pronooun; (b) while Greek
> grammars persist in denoting the -QH- forms in the aorist and future as
> "passive" (while at the same time listing oodles of verbs that are
> obviously NOT passive in these -QH- forms and calling them "deponent"),
the
> fact is that the -QH- morphoparadigms are no more distinctly "passive
only"
> than the MAI/SAI/TAI;MHN/SO/TO forms are distinctly "middle only"; both
> morphoparadigms would better be labeled "middle-passive" for the reason
> that both of them can indicate either semantic voice; -QH- aorists and
> futures came in the course of Greek linguistic history to be used more
> commonly than the older -MHN/SO/TO and -SOMAI/SHi/SETAI paradigms for
verbs
> that are regularly middle. My report on my research into these points is
> set forth in a PDF file which may be downloaded from my web site and
> perused and/or printed using the Adobe Acrobat Reader:
>
> http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/Docs/NewObsAncGrkVc.pdf
>
> 2. GINOMAI has forms in all six principle parts:
>
> GINOMAI/GENHSOMAI/EGENOMHN/GEGONA/GEGENHMAI/EGENHQHN;
>
> some of these are less common in the GNT, but a quick review of the forms
> listed in the first part of BDAG's listing for this verb is instructive.
> The fact is that there is no substantive difference of meaning between
> EGENOMHN and EGENHQHN; both forms with essentially the same sense are in
> use during the Hellenistic era, but it is evident that EGENHQHN is
becoming
> ever more frequent and it did eventually completely supplant the older
> EGENOMHN. In fact, the two most common verbs which retained some passive
> usage in the older aorist MP -MHN/SO/TO forms (as indicated by agent
> constructions with hUPO + genitive) are EGENOMHN and APWLOMHN. My
> endeavor to demonstrate that EGENOMHN and EGENHQHN are not distinct in
> meaning constitutes the bulk of my appendix to the document I've cited in
> the URL above.
> --
>
> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics, Washington University (Emeritus)
> 1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
> cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
> WWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/




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