"to the age" Young's Literal Translation (John 10:28)

Carl W. Conrad cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Thu Jan 23 19:43:53 EST 2003


At 3:40 PM -0600 1/23/03, Paul S Dixon wrote:
>On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 15:48:11 -0500 "Carl W. Conrad"
><cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu> writes:
>> At 1:04 PM -0600 1/23/03, Paul S Dixon wrote:
>> >On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:53:12 -0500 "Jonathan B. Ferguson"
>> ><DunamisTheou at aol.com> writes:
>> >> Hello,
>> >>      I was wondering why it seems that no versions (besides the
>> >> YLT)
>> >> translates EIS TON AIWNA in John 10:28. Is it something that
>> they
>> >> did
>> >> translate, and I'm just not getting it, or is it something they
>> >> didn't
>> >> because it is understand from something else in the verse?  Any
>> help
>> >> will
>> >> be appreciated. :)
>> >
>> >Rheims NT has:  they shall not perish forever.
>> >
>> >This translation, though more literal and word for word, is not as
>> clear
>> >as the translation of most, and undoubtedly means the same thing:
>> they
>> >shall never perish.  That being the case, EIS TON AIWNA is
>> probably
>> >pleonastic.
>>
>> It's NOT pleonastic; it's simply the "ever" in the standard
>> versions. EIS
>> TON AIWNA conveys the Hebraic L'OLAM.
>
>Thanks for that rather emphatic negation of what I thought might be a
>repetition of an emphatic negation (making the negation even more
>emphatic)!  Isn't it marvelous how the English lends itself to a more
>simplistic emphatic negation by the use of all caps?
>
>Well, if EIS TON AIWNA is pleonastic, then you probably would not object
>to a translation such as:  they shall not perish, ever.  That might be a
>better way of communicating the construction.  Do you think?

Paul, I think "will not ever die" gets the force of it quite adequately;
after all, the original simply has a negated verb and EIS TON AIWNA; older
Attic Greek would have had OUK APOLOUNTAI OUPOTE.
-- 

Carl W. Conrad
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