diagrams of Romans and 1 Corinthians 1-5

Long, Fred longf at bethelcollege.edu
Tue Jan 21 10:21:39 EST 2003


Thanks for the explanation.  

I think someone could still claim that EN indicates the realm within which
Paul has received the grace and Apostleship, namely, "among all the
gentiles".  I wonder whether the inclusive scope of "all" would work against
the reading you are suggesting.  In other words, his sphere of Apostleship
extends to all, but the obedience of faith would not.  On the other hand, it
may be that Paul is expressing his divine optimism and hope that all the
Gentiles would come under "the obedience of faith."

Don't get me wrong.  I appreciate very much your reading of of the Greek in
Rom 1:5 and I am in sympathy with it.  I believe there is strong contextual
support for this theme ("obedience of faith among all the Gentiles"; cf. Rom
2:14-16, 25-29; 15:16-18; 16:26).  I wanted to probe you a bit on your
reasons and particularly how to represent possible alternatives.   And
certainly the glory given to Christ by the obedience of the gentiles
converts is a very powerful idea and fits completely with my understanding
of Romans 6-8 and the victorious Christian life over sin.  


Fredrick J. Long, Ph.D. 
Assistant Professor of New Testament
Bethel College
1001 W. McKinley Ave.
Mishawaka, IN   46545
(574) 257-2548 
longf at bethelcollege.edu

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Steven Lo Vullo [SMTP:slovullo at mac.com]
> Sent:	Monday, January 20, 2003 9:20 PM
> To:	Long, Fred
> Cc:	Biblical Greek
> Subject:	Re: [b-greek] Re: diagrams of Romans and 1 Corinthians 1-5
> On Monday, January 20, 2003, at 10:37 AM, Long, Fred wrote:
> > Steven,
> >
> > Great work diagramming!  Thanks for making this available.
> >
> > I was looking at Romans 1:5 and was wondering why you chose to place 
> > EQNESIN and hUPER TOU ONOMATOS AUTOU as modifying the other object of 
> > the
> > preposition ("obedience of faith") rather than as adverbially 
> > modifying the
> > verb ELABOMEN?
> >
> > This raises querstions about how to represent more than one
> > grammatical/interpretive option within your Greek diagramming method 
> > (or any
> > for that matter)?  I havn't studied other portions of your 
> > diagramming, but
> > I would imagine that many interpretive decisions needed to be made, 
> > and I
> > wonder how did you indicate that in your diagramming?
> >
> > Fred
> Greetings, Fred:
> First, thanks for the feedback. I really appreciate any comments, 
> suggestions, or corrections folks may have to offer.
> The reason I decided to diagram EN PASIN TOIS EQNESIN as a modifier of 
> hUPAKOHN rather than ELABOMEN is that I think it makes better sense in 
> the context. It seems to me that the idea is not "we received grace and 
> apostleship ... among all the Gentiles," but that the purpose or result 
> (indicated by EIS) of the reception of grace and apostleship is 
> "obedience among all the Gentiles" (cf. 15.18; 16.26). In other words, 
> EN PASIN TOIS EQNESIN is the sphere in which the purposed or resultant 
> obedience of faith is practiced, rather than the sphere in which grace 
> and apostleship was received. I think it is pretty common for a 
> prepositional phrase to modify a verbal noun, i.e., a noun that has a 
> verbal cognate and an implied verbal idea.
> As for hUPER TOU ONOMATOS AUTOU, I think this is a little more 
> uncertain. It is possible to construe it with ELABOMEN, but I think its 
> proximity to hUPAKOHN probably indicates that the obedience of faith on 
> the part of the Gentiles is practiced in Christ's name and/or redounds 
> to his glory, as is expressed in English in the following translations:
> NLT: Through Christ, God has given us the privilege and authority to 
> tell Gentiles everywhere what God has done for them, so that they will 
> believe and obey him, bringing glory to his name.
> NAB: Through him we have received the grace of apostleship, to bring 
> about the obedience of faith, for the sake of his name, among all the 
> Gentiles,
> NJB: through whom we have received grace and our apostolic mission of 
> winning the obedience of faith among all the nations for the honor of 
> his name.
> I think what is in view here is the obedience of faith practiced among 
> the Gentiles to the glory of the name of Christ.
> You are absolutely right to point out that there will often be more 
> than one option to consider when diagramming, and there are cases where 
> I indicate this. See, for example, Rom 5.2. What I do in these cases is 
> indicate the alternatives with numbers in parentheses, with (1) 
> indicating the option I think more probable. If there is room to place 
> both options in their respective places in the main diagram, I will do 
> that. If not, I will place (1) in the main diagram and (2) usually 
> either to the right of the main diagram or below it. I don't reproduce 
> the whole diagram for the alternative, just enough of it so that its 
> possible alternative grammatical or syntactic relationship is clear. 
> There will, of course, be cases where I am certain of my understanding 
> of the grammar and syntax and will not include an alternative where 
> others would. Conversely, there will be cases where I am uncertain of 
> my understanding and will include an alternative where other would not. 
> So I am always open to suggestions.
> =============
> Steven R. Lo Vullo
> Madison, WI

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