[B-Greek] Fw: OFFLIST RE: [b-trans] Re: 2 Tim 1:3, 2 Tim 3:15 "apo"
accuratebibles at ozemail.com.au
Tue Feb 11 17:23:23 EST 2003
Thanks, Carl. The person with whom I had the discussion is now asking the
"How, then, should APO be understood?: hWi LATREUW APO PROGONWN EN KAQARAi
SUNEIDHSEI Ie: What might "from my forefathers" mean? Would it imply "in the
same way as my forefathers?" What would be the precise sense?
EK BREFON seems to appear in the literature (ie: Perseus) with the sense of
"from childhood," but APO BREFOUS seems to only appears in the literature
with the sense of "away from a baby" or "away from babyhood."
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu>
To: "Ann Nyland" <accuratebibles at ozemail.com.au>
Cc: "Biblical Greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Fw: OFFLIST RE: [b-trans] Re: 2 Tim 1:3, 2 Tim 3:15
> At 7:33 AM +1100 2/12/03, Ann Nyland wrote:
> >I have had a bit of discussion with someone about the following verses,
> >thought it easier to reproduce their point of view in question form below
> >for comment.
> >Ann Nyland
> >hWi LATREUW APO PROGONWN EN KAQARAi SUNEIDHSEI
> >Is it grammatically possible for 2 Tim 1:3a to read: "I thank God, whom I
> >serve apart from [ie: alienated from] my forefathers..."?
> No, I don't think so; APO is not equivalent to CWRIS or CWRISQEIS; with
> some qualifying participle or adjective, it might be possible to get that
> sense from APO, but I can't see how "alienated from" can be read out of
> + genitive alone.
> >KAI hOTI APO BREFOUS
> >Question #2:
> >Is it grammatically possible for 2 Tim 3:15a to read:
> >"And [far] from [being] a baby..."?
> No, surely not. This is a pretty standard expression, as would EK +
> genitive of a similar word be, for "since I was an infant."
> This is an instance where I would recommend a close reading and pondering
> of the implications of the lengthy entry in BDAG for APO; while there are
> quite a few idiomatic expressions involving use of APO + genitive, they
> fall into intelligible patterns and derivation from a standard meaning.
> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics, Washington University (Emeritus)
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