ECONTES in rom 8.23

Steven Lo Vullo slovullo at mac.com
Sun Mar 24 22:09:23 EST 2002


on 3/24/02 5:54 PM, Moon-Ryul Jung at moon at sogang.ac.kr wrote:

>>> Rom 8.23: OU MONON DE, ALLA\ KAI AUTOI THN APARCHN TOU PNEUMATOS ECONTES,
>>> hHMEIS KAI AUTOI EN hEAUTOIS STENAZOMEN hUIOQESIAN APEKDECOMENOI, THN
>>> APOLUTRWSIN TOU SWMATOS hHMWN.
>>> 
>>> It seems that KAI AUTOI are emphatic, being repeated later in the sentence.
>>> My trouble is in understanding ECONTES. Is it adjectival, qualifying AUTOI
>>> (or implied hHMEIS, which is explicit later in the sentence)? Or is it
>>> adverbial, modifying STENAZOMEN? Or does it have a function that I have
>>> overlooked?
>>> ============
>>> 
>>> Steven Lo Vullo
>>> Madison, WI
>>> slovullo at mac.com
>> 
>> ECONTES works as an adversative participle in this case (= although we
>> have).
> 
> It seems that this interpretation is more specific than does the text
> allows.
> Steve's question should be clarified. What do you, Steve, mean by
> "qualifying
> AUTOI"? Most translations have "also ourselves, who have the first fruit
> of
> Spirit, ...". Here, "which have the first fruit of Spirit" does describe
> "ourselves", though not restrict what constitute "us" ["we" is already
> known in the context of the letter.]. I think this translation is good
> enough,
> with some ambiguity in terms of the logical relationship between ECONTES
> clause the main clause. But I am not sure which category (adjectival or
> adverbial) it belongs.

Hi Moon:

What I was basically driving at was whether ECONTES should be construed with
STENAZOMEN or with its subject. The reason for my inquiry is that, if we
take ECONTES as an adverbial modifier of STENAZOMEN, it opens up some
additional semantic options, such as what Manolis refers to as "adversative"
(which I would call "concessive") or, as I think Carl understands it,
causal. These senses are, of course, not native to the participle itself,
but must be discerned from the context.
============

Steven Lo Vullo
Madison, WI
slovullo at mac.com
  




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