hOSOI in Rom 6.3

Steven Lo Vullo doulos at merr.com
Sun Jan 20 15:13:32 EST 2002


On Sunday, January 20, 2002, at 08:13  AM, Carl W. Conrad wrote:

>> Depends on what you mean by "subject." As you well know, in parallelism
>> (chaistic or otherwise) it is customary to elide constituents in the 
>> second
>> colon which can be assumed from the first colon. This is just good 
>> writing,
>> according to E. Hemingway, one should always leave out everything that 
>> can
>> be taken for granted.
>>
>> So if by "subject" you mean the syntactical subject, I would say that 
>> hOSOI
>> is not the syntactical subject of the second colon. The second colon 
>> uses
>> zero anaphora (verb inflection for person) to bind the second colon to 
>> the
>> first colon. This is a rhetorical technique that promotes cohesion 
>> within
>> the parallel structure.
>
> Clay is giving you a Discourse Analysis answer to what I would term an
> idiomatic or word-order question; I wouldn't disagree with anything Clay
> has said, except that it wouldn't use the phrase "elide constituents" 
> but
> say rather the subject of the main clause is left in ellipsis. English
> example I was taught: "Who steals my purse steals trash."
>
> Smyth (at Perseus):
>
> §2509. Omission of the Antecedent to a Relative.--The demonstrative 
> pronoun
> antecedent to a relative is often omitted: either when it is in the same
> case as the relative, or in a different case from the relative. The
> omission occurs when the antecedent expresses the general idea of 
> person or
> thing, and often when the relative clause precedes.
>
> egô de kai (houtoi) hôn kratô menoumen but I and those whom I command 
> will
> remain X. C. 5.1.26, kalon to thnêiskein hois (for toutois hois) hubrin 
> to
> zên pherei death is sweet to those to whom life brings contumely Men. 
> Sent.
> 291, legô pantas [p. 565] eispherein aph' hosôn (for apo tosoutôn hosa)
> hekastos echei I say that all must contribute according to the ability 
> of
> each (from such means as each man has) D. 2.31.

Carl and Clay:

Thank you for your responses. Forgive more for asking a few more 
(probably bone-headed) questions.

(1) Would I be safe to assume that, syntactically speaking, the 
correlative pronoun functions approximately like the relative pronoun, 
agreeing in gender and number with an "antecedent," whether explicit or 
implied? I realize that the correlative pronoun may precede its 
"antecedent," so I am using the term loosely, in the sense that the 
correlative is dependent on the main clause.

(2) Smyth seems to be saying that the elliptical antecedent is a 
demonstrative pronoun. This was actually my first thought in dealing 
with Rom 6.3, and the conclusion I came to with regard to Rom 3.19 (hOSA 
LEGEI ... [TAUTA] LALEI). This seems to fit well for Rom 3.19, since the 
elliptical TAUTA is the object of the verb. But in Rom 6.3 it seems 
awkward to imagine a hOUTOI as the subject of the first person plural 
EBAPTISQHMEN. Is this just because I am thinking in English? Would it be 
natural Greek for a demonstrative pronoun to be the subject of a first 
person plural verb? Or would the personal pronoun hHMEIS be a better 
candidate, at least in Rom 6.3?

Thanks for your patience. The reason this is so important to me is that 
I am presently diagramming Romans. Though I realize things are not 
always as "tidy" as we would like, still I want to represent the 
syntactical relationships as accurately as possible.
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Steven Lo Vullo
Madison, WI




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