Thomas J. Kraus
tj.kraus at gmx.de
Mon Sep 10 03:32:29 EDT 2001
Thank you Richard for clarifying the issue. You are right, of course: hHN
cannot refer back to the potential antecedent BAPTISMA, because it is fem.
and the latter neuter. I now, too, regard it as comparing the saving
quality of the Acherusian lake to the Elysian field.
Well, it was late ... and this is what I call not seeing the wood for the
All the best,
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----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Ghilardi <qodeshlayhvh at juno.com>
To: Biblical Greek <b-greek at franklin.oit.unc.edu>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 3:48 AM
Subject: [b-greek] Re: ApcPetr
> On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 00:25:13 +0200 "Thomas J. Kraus" <tj.kraus at gmx.de>
> > Dear B-Greekers,
> > The following sentence struck me a little bit, above all after
> > having read
> > some alternative translations:
> > KAI DWSW AUTOIS KALON BAPTISMA EN SWQHRIAi ACEROUSIAS LIMNHS hHN
> > KALOUSIN
> > EN TWi HLUSIWi PEDIWi
> > "and I will give them a good/nice baptism in the salvation of the
> > Acherusian lake, which one calls in the Elysian field"
> > or "... in the salvation of what is called the Acherusian lake in
> > the
> > Elysian field"
> > or "... in the salvation of the Acherusian lake, of which people
> > say, (it
> > is) in the Elysian field"
> Here's my rendering:
> and I will give them a fine baptism in the saving waters of the
> Acherusian lake which is dubbed "the Elysian Field"
> The comparison is primarily and specificly a geographical one between
> ACEROUSIAS LIMNHS and TWi HLUSIWi PEDIWi. But more generally speaking, it
> is the saving quality of the Acherusian lake that is compared to the
> Elysian Field. The latter has no reference to BAPTISMA and only a general
> and indirect one to SWQHRIAi despite the formal structural parallelism:
> EN SWQHRIAi
> EN TWi HLUSIWi PEDIWi
> > Well, I regard hHN refering back to the accusative of KALON BAPTISMA
> > (which
> > is given in the lake).
> This cannot be since BAPTISMA is neuter and hHN points back to a feminine
> antecendent. So it must point back to either SWQHRIAi or ACEROUSIAS
> LIMNHS or to the entire phrase SWQHRIAi ACEROUSIAS LIMNHS. My preference
> is indicated above.
> Yours in His grace,
> Richard Ghilardi -- qodeshlayhvh at juno.com
> New Haven, CT USA
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