ApcPetr

Richard Ghilardi qodeshlayhvh at juno.com
Sun Sep 9 21:48:25 EDT 2001


On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 00:25:13 +0200 "Thomas J. Kraus" <tj.kraus at gmx.de>
writes:
> Dear B-Greekers,

[snip]

> The following sentence struck me a little bit, above all after 
> having read
> some alternative translations:
> 
> KAI DWSW AUTOIS KALON BAPTISMA EN SWQHRIAi ACEROUSIAS LIMNHS hHN 
> KALOUSIN
> EN TWi HLUSIWi PEDIWi
> "and I will give them a good/nice baptism in the salvation of the
> Acherusian lake, which one calls in the Elysian field"
> or "... in the salvation of what is called the Acherusian lake in 
> the
> Elysian field"
> or "... in the salvation of the Acherusian lake, of which people 
> say, (it
> is) in the Elysian field"

[Ghilardi]

Here's my rendering:

and I will give them a fine baptism in the saving waters of the
Acherusian lake which is dubbed "the Elysian Field"

The comparison is primarily and specificly a geographical one between
ACEROUSIAS LIMNHS and TWi HLUSIWi PEDIWi. But more generally speaking, it
is the saving quality of the Acherusian lake that is compared to the
Elysian Field. The latter has no reference to BAPTISMA and only a general
and indirect one to SWQHRIAi despite the formal structural parallelism:
EN SWQHRIAi
EN TWi HLUSIWi PEDIWi

[Kraus]

> Well, I regard hHN refering back to the accusative of KALON BAPTISMA 
> (which
> is given in the lake). 

[Ghilardi]

This cannot be since BAPTISMA is neuter and hHN points back to a feminine
antecendent. So it must point back to either SWQHRIAi or ACEROUSIAS
LIMNHS or to the entire phrase SWQHRIAi ACEROUSIAS LIMNHS. My preference
is indicated above.

Yours in His grace,

Richard Ghilardi -- qodeshlayhvh at juno.com
New Haven, CT USA
Nibai kaurno hwaiteis gadriusando in airtha gaswiltith,
silbo ainata aflifnith: ith jabai gaswiltith, manag akran bairith.



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