Lk 7:30; HQETHSAN EIS hEAUTOUS

Paul S. Dixon dixonps at juno.com
Sat Jan 16 14:40:29 EST 1999


Carl:

Much thanks for your response.  It was most helpful.

Paul S. Dixon, Pastor
Wilsonville, Oregon
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On Sat, 16 Jan 1999 06:15:19 -0600 "Carl W. Conrad"
<cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu> writes:
>At 1:38 AM -0500 1/16/99, Paul S. Dixon wrote:
>>b-Greekers:
>>
>>I came across this in Lk 7:30 that really puzzles me.
>>
>>THN BOULHN TOU QEOU HQETHSAN EIS hEAUTOUS
>>
>>Compare some of the translations:
>>"rejected the counsel of God against themselves" (KJV),
>>"rejected God's purpose for themselves" (NASB),
>>"rejected God's purpose for themselves" (NIV),
>>"rejected God's purpose for themselves" (NRSV),
>>"rejected the plan of God for themselves" (NAB), etc.
>>
>>It would seem the translations are taking EIS hEAUTOUS
>>with THN BOULHN TOU QEOU instead of with
>>HQETHSAN.  What gives here?
>>
>>Thoughts?
>
>Well, A thought, at any rate. I think that the problem is in the 
>English
>rather than the Greek; as I read the Greek, EIS hEAUTOUS definitely 
>must
>construe with HQETHSAN: "they nullified with respect to themselves 
>God's
>will." The problem is that this is abnormal English word order which 
>seems
>ordinarily to require a direct object to follow the verb more or less
>immediately. One could put the adverbial phrase first: "Insofar as it
>applied to themselves, they rejected God's intent." My sense of these
>translations is that they understand the sense of the Greek rightly 
>but
>their English doesn't reflect the structure of the Greek (because it 
>can't,
>without violating normal English word-order).
>
>I think, if I've understood the sense of the Greek rightly, that 
>hEAUTOIS
>would have been the more classical formulation and also clearer than 
>EIS
>hEAUTOUS, which may reflect a Semitism. Certainly in terms of 
>traditional
>grammatical constructions, if EIS hEAUTOUS were meant to construe
>attributively with THN BOULHN it should have another article (THN EIS
>hEAUTOUS BOULHN)--but surely the phrase must construe adverbially with
>HQETHSAN: they rejected it as something not applying to or obligating
>themselves.
>
>Carl W. Conrad
>Department of Classics/Washington University
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>

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