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  • From: Paul Mahon <dufflebunk AT dufflebunk.homeip.net>
  • To: Seth Woolley <seth AT tautology.org>
  • Cc: Robert Helgesson <rycee AT home.se>, sm-discuss <sm-discuss AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [SM-Discuss] init woes
  • Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 18:37:03 -0500

No, the rtc device has a few k of extra memory, that's what I was
talking about.

On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 17:16, Seth Woolley wrote:
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> Current init uses a fifo/named pipe on /dev/initctl -- I'm not sure how
> this works with devfs, but it appears to work. I can look into the source
> code on how it does this exactly in a bit if somebody doesn't beat me to
> it while I'm at work. I'm sure afrayednot's stuff can use that pipe, eh?
>
> If we save the clock time right away, we can minuplate the clock value
> (though it is slightly volatile, esp. in seconds field) and gain some few
> extra bits from that.
>
> Seth
>
> P.S. Yes, Java and XML would be great. Then we can have the boot screen
> use the gecko rendering engine SVG-enabled and display trees of
> depenedencies and stuff in SVG. A bit custom, but all-in-all a great
> idea and we should look into it.
>
> On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, Paul Mahon wrote:
>
> > No, Python is soo amaturish. We should use Java and change the
> > simpleinit scripts to XML.
> > afrayednot's stuff requires a FS. I'm not sure if it actualy writes to
> > the file, but the file must exist.
> >
> > Could we use the clock memory?
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 16:20, Seth Woolley wrote:
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> > > I'd rather fork off a daemon and do ipc to it... maybe use afrayednot's
> > > ipc tools if not bash...
> > >
> > > or we could do it all in python ;)
> > >
> > > There's also nvram we could use :)
> > >
> > > Seth
> > >
> > > On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, Paul Mahon wrote:
> > >
> > > > You're right, it's not required for anything. henh, you could mount
> > > > the
> > > > swap partition as ext2 until there's a real FS... ;)
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 03:22, Robert Helgesson wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 02:23:34 -0500, Paul Mahon wrote:
> > > > > > I don't suppse it would be possible to mount a tmpfs system right
> > > > > > at the
> > > > > > start?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, that would probably work, but I'm not sure that it's safe to
> > > > > assume
> > > > > tmpfs being available on all smgl installations. Is tmpfs required
> > > > > by
> > > > > anything else?
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 00:25, Robert Helgesson wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 23:41:53 -0500, Paul Mahon wrote:
> > > > > > > > I don't know how the init stuff actualy works, so the no FS
> > > > > > > > limitation
> > > > > > > > may not be as bad. Good ideas though.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It is as bad as you can imagine and worse. Being limited to no
> > > > > > > read/write fs access and no /usr can be quite frustrating at
> > > > > > > times :)
> > > > --
> > > > De mortuis nihil nisi bonum.
> > > >
> > > > What is that funny looking stuff in the attachment?
> > > > http://www.technomom.com/cynthia/pgp/
> > > >
> > >
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>
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