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  • From: Marshall Chrostowski <marshallsmarket@gmail.com>
  • To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] permaculture Digest, Vol 261, Issue 1
  • Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 02:35:00 -0800

Subject: Re: [permaculture] This list, permaculture and discussion
traffic.

Hi, Lawrence.I add my cyber voice to pleas to keep the list larger to
include lurker who may be reaping benefits beyond your expectations.

Since we last communicated, I have planned and executing my retirement from
the my several businesses including the organic market farm and orchard.
Forty five years is long enough . I am near eighty but in excellent health
and will take on the modernization of 60-acre forest farm in S,.
Quebec.with a new love of my life.

I never did find a home for those old farm and hort books. Dumpster time.

Best wishes and good luck and good health,
Marshall

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> 1. Re: allow less drought intolerant trees to thrive (Jay Woods)
> 2. Re: allow less drought intolerant trees to thrive
> (Lawrence London)
> 3. Re: This list, permaculture and discussion traffic.
> (christopher nesbitt)
> 4. Re: allow less drought intolerant trees to thrive (Soalheira)
> 5. Re: This list, permaculture and discussion traffic. (Laura Vargas)
> 6. Re: This list, permaculture and discussion traffic. (Rhonda Baird)
> 7. As Trump Transitions to Power, 'Cabinet of Horrors' Takes
> Shape | Common Dreams | Breaking News & Views for the Progressive
> Community (Lawrence London)
> 8. Re: This list, permaculture and discussion traffic.
> (Robyn Francis)
> 9. Re: This list, permaculture and discussion traffic.
> (Michael Pilarski)
> 10. Re: This list, permaculture and discussion traffic.
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> 11. Re: This list, permaculture and discussion traffic.
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> 12. Re: This list, permaculture and discussion traffic.
> (Jonathan Spencer)
> 13. Re: This list, permaculture and discussion traffic. (Eisenhauer)
> 14. Re: This list, permaculture and discussion traffic.
> (Lawrence London)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 06:16:55 -0800
> From: Jay Woods <woodsjaya@gmail.com>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] allow less drought intolerant trees to
> thrive
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> Unfortunately the land is flat. There are better solutions on sloped land.
>
> Under the tree canopy there is no plastic, only gravel to cut down on water
> evaporation from the soil. The basin slopes slightly toward the tree and
> there is a small berm at 3+ canopy diameters out from the trunk.
>
> The seedling test trials include canopy/root system width ratio looking for
> better adaption to semi-desert. The pinyons and cottonwoods have ratios of
> 3 while commercial varieties of fruit and nuts are 1.
>
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 12:48 AM, joao pedro goncalves <joaovox@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > your land is flat ?
> >
> > how is water moving over the plastic ?
> >
> > it concentrates at near the tree trunk? funnelling ?
> >
> > thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/9/16, Jay Woods <woodsjaya@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > In order to allow less drought intolerant trees to thrive here in
> Western
> > > Nevada, I'm putting out black plastic covered with gravel and rocks
> over
> > an
> > > area 10 times larger than the tree canopy.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 3:35 AM, Gene Monaco <efmonaco@comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I'm still in
> > >> -Gee
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: permaculture [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On
> > >> Behalf
> > >> Of Lawrence London
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 1:40 AM
> > >> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > >> Subject: Re: [permaculture] This list, permaculture and discussion
> > >> traffic.
> > >>
> > >> When I raised this issue months ago a number of people replied
> > >> positively.
> > >> I would appreciate it if they would reply again to make it easier my
> > >> gathering addresses of those interested. .
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 11:12 PM, Lawrence London <
> lfljvenaura@gmail.com
> > >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> > This list was created to provide a place for exchange of ideas,
> news,
> > >> > resources and Q&A.
> > >> > It is not for endless lurking, never posting or replying.
> > >> >
> > >> > I need a show of hands from subscribers who want to remain in the
> > list.
> > >> > Post a reply to this message saying that you want to stay onboard
> and
> > >> > I will add your email ID to those who will remain subscribed.
> > >> > Those I have known here over the years and those who have posted in
> > >> > the past year or so will be automatically included,
> > >> >
> > >> > Other list owners I have known have done this and managed to keep
> > >> > their forums alive and active. I intend to do this here.
> > >> > The message archives and the list mirror will remain accessable and
> > >> > searchable by the public...
> > >> > One week ought to be enough time to get this sorted out.
> > >> > --
> > >> > Lawrence F. London, Jr.
> > >> > lfljvenaura@gmail.com
> > >> > https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Lawrence F. London, Jr.
> > >> lfljvenaura@gmail.com
> > >> https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared
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> > --
> > Jo?o Gon?alves
> > http://ecotrabalho.com
> > http://permacultureglobal.com/users/902-joao-goncalves
> > + 351 96 96 80 009
> > Alc?ntara - Lisboa e Ch?o Sobral - Oliveira do Hospital - Serra do A?or -
> > Portugal
> >
> > "Hoje, ao escolher o que comer e o que comprar est? a decidir se os seus
> > filhos v?o herdar um planeta em melhor ou pior estado daquele que voc?
> > encontrou."
> >
> > "Today as you choose what to eat and what to buy you decide if your
> > children will inherit a planet in a better or worse shape than you found
> > it."
> >
> > Para descobrir:
> > Document?rio "Alface" na Aldeia das Amoreiras
> > http://vimeo.com/58999047
> > Herdade do Freixo do Meio
> > http://herdadedofreixodomeio.pt/
> > "Comida que nunca acaba" / Permacultura no Malawi
> > http://www.neverendingfood.org/
> > Centro de Ecologia Integral
> > http://www.integralecology.org
> > Nyumbani - Kenya
> > http://www.nyumbani.org/about-us
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 09:19:31 -0500
> From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] allow less drought intolerant trees to
> thrive
> Message-ID:
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> mail.gmail.com>
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>
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 3:48 AM, joao pedro goncalves <joaovox@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > your land is flat ?
> >
> > how is water moving over the plastic ?
> >
> > it concentrates at near the tree trunk? funnelling ?
> >
>
> How do the trees breathe, i.e. get adequate oxygen and maintain aerobic
> soil conditions?
>
>
> --
> Lawrence F. London, Jr.
> lfljvenaura@gmail.com
> https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 08:20:58 -0600
> From: christopher nesbitt <christopher.nesbitt@mmrfbz.org>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] This list, permaculture and discussion
> traffic.
> Message-ID:
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>
> Hi Lawrence,
>
> I want to be n board. I post very seldom, but when I did, it is usually a
> very long reply. I value being a part of this.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Christopher
>
> _____________________________
>
> Christopher Nesbitt
>
>
> Maya Mountain Research Farm
>
> San Pedro Columbia, Toledo
>
> PO 153 Punta Gorda Town, Toledo
>
> BELIZE,
>
> Central America
>
>
> www.mmrfbz.org
> www.facebook.com/MayaMountainResearchFarm
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:12 PM, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > This list was created to provide a place for exchange of ideas, news,
> > resources and Q&A.
> > It is not for endless lurking, never posting or replying.
> >
> > I need a show of hands from subscribers who want to remain in the list.
> > Post a reply to this message saying that you want to stay onboard and I
> > will add your email ID to those who will remain subscribed.
> > Those I have known here over the years and those who have posted in the
> > past year or so will be automatically included,
> >
> > Other list owners I have known have done this and managed to keep their
> > forums alive and active. I intend to do this here.
> > The message archives and the list mirror will remain accessable and
> > searchable by the public...
> > One week ought to be enough time to get this sorted out.
> > --
> > Lawrence F. London, Jr.
> > lfljvenaura@gmail.com
> > https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared
> > permaculture mailing list
> > permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 15:59:18 +0000
> From: Soalheira <soalheira@gmx.com>
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] allow less drought intolerant trees to
> thrive
> Message-ID: <868c516d-0e8e-1037-960d-5fc8ecb071cd@gmx.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> I?m in, as long as I?m not cluttering.
>
> A few related ideas off the top
>
> - Keep less drought tolerant trees below/around water bodies (natural or
> artificial)
>
> - Add extra charged biochar including biota at all layers of the tree
> hole and using extra layers of cardboard on the mulch side. PLant a
> cactii based ground cover for enhanced buffer temperature and moisturize
> during the night.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> On 10/11/2016 08:48, joao pedro goncalves wrote:
> > your land is flat ?
> >
> > how is water moving over the plastic ?
> >
> > it concentrates at near the tree trunk? funnelling ?
> >
> > thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/9/16, Jay Woods <woodsjaya@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> In order to allow less drought intolerant trees to thrive here in
> Western
> >> Nevada, I'm putting out black plastic covered with gravel and rocks
> over an
> >> area 10 times larger than the tree canopy.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 3:35 AM, Gene Monaco <efmonaco@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm still in
> >>> -Gee
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: permaculture [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On
> >>> Behalf
> >>> Of Lawrence London
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 1:40 AM
> >>> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [permaculture] This list, permaculture and discussion
> >>> traffic.
> >>>
> >>> When I raised this issue months ago a number of people replied
> >>> positively.
> >>> I would appreciate it if they would reply again to make it easier my
> >>> gathering addresses of those interested. .
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 11:12 PM, Lawrence London <
> lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> This list was created to provide a place for exchange of ideas, news,
> >>>> resources and Q&A.
> >>>> It is not for endless lurking, never posting or replying.
> >>>>
> >>>> I need a show of hands from subscribers who want to remain in the
> list.
> >>>> Post a reply to this message saying that you want to stay onboard and
> >>>> I will add your email ID to those who will remain subscribed.
> >>>> Those I have known here over the years and those who have posted in
> >>>> the past year or so will be automatically included,
> >>>>
> >>>> Other list owners I have known have done this and managed to keep
> >>>> their forums alive and active. I intend to do this here.
> >>>> The message archives and the list mirror will remain accessable and
> >>>> searchable by the public...
> >>>> One week ought to be enough time to get this sorted out.
> >>>> --
> >>>> Lawrence F. London, Jr.
> >>>> lfljvenaura@gmail.com
> >>>> https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Lawrence F. London, Jr.
> >>> lfljvenaura@gmail.com
> >>> https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared
> >>> permaculture mailing list
> >>> permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> >>> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 11:09:19 -0500
> From: Laura Vargas <laura@somosazucar.org>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] This list, permaculture and discussion
> traffic.
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Please keep me in!
>
> Regards from the Amazon forest :D
>
> 2016-11-10 5:45 GMT-05:00 Marsha Howe <marshahowe@gmail.com>:
>
> > I have learned a lot reading the experience here and read when I have
> time
> > and would like to stay on.
> >
> > In grateful service,
> >
> > Marsha Howe
> > Sustainable Neighbors
> > Farm-A-Yard
> > Urban Farming Education, Training & Events
> > sustainableneighborsnc.com
> > www.farm-a-yard.com
> > NC Director of Food Education
> > Guiding Wellness Institute
> > www.guidingwellness.com
> >
> > > On Nov 8, 2016, at 11:12 PM, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > This list was created to provide a place for exchange of ideas, news,
> > > resources and Q&A.
> > > It is not for endless lurking, never posting or replying.
> > >
> > > I need a show of hands from subscribers who want to remain in the list.
> > > Post a reply to this message saying that you want to stay onboard and I
> > > will add your email ID to those who will remain subscribed.
> > > Those I have known here over the years and those who have posted in the
> > > past year or so will be automatically included,
> > >
> > > Other list owners I have known have done this and managed to keep their
> > > forums alive and active. I intend to do this here.
> > > The message archives and the list mirror will remain accessable and
> > > searchable by the public...
> > > One week ought to be enough time to get this sorted out.
> > > --
> > > Lawrence F. London, Jr.
> > > lfljvenaura@gmail.com
> > > https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared
> > > permaculture mailing list
> > > permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
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>
>
>
> --
> Laura V.
> I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org
>
> Identi.ca/Skype acaire
> IRC kaametza
>
> Happy Learning!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 12:11:08 -0500
> From: Rhonda Baird <rk.baird@yahoo.com>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] This list, permaculture and discussion
> traffic.
> Message-ID: <7A0F03DC-37DB-4465-8F75-68B1B2461586@yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Likewise, I would like to stay on the list. -rhonda
> > On Nov 10, 2016, at 9:20 AM, christopher nesbitt <
> christopher.nesbitt@mmrfbz.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Lawrence,
> >
> > I want to be n board. I post very seldom, but when I did, it is usually a
> > very long reply. I value being a part of this.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Christopher
> >
> > _____________________________
> >
> > Christopher Nesbitt
> >
> >
> > Maya Mountain Research Farm
> >
> > San Pedro Columbia, Toledo
> >
> > PO 153 Punta Gorda Town, Toledo
> >
> > BELIZE,
> >
> > Central America
> >
> >
> > www.mmrfbz.org
> > www.facebook.com/MayaMountainResearchFarm
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:12 PM, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> This list was created to provide a place for exchange of ideas, news,
> >> resources and Q&A.
> >> It is not for endless lurking, never posting or replying.
> >>
> >> I need a show of hands from subscribers who want to remain in the list.
> >> Post a reply to this message saying that you want to stay onboard and I
> >> will add your email ID to those who will remain subscribed.
> >> Those I have known here over the years and those who have posted in the
> >> past year or so will be automatically included,
> >>
> >> Other list owners I have known have done this and managed to keep their
> >> forums alive and active. I intend to do this here.
> >> The message archives and the list mirror will remain accessable and
> >> searchable by the public...
> >> One week ought to be enough time to get this sorted out.
> >> --
> >> Lawrence F. London, Jr.
> >> lfljvenaura@gmail.com
> >> https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared
> >> permaculture mailing list
> >> permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> >> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 18:06:56 -0500
> From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: [permaculture] As Trump Transitions to Power, 'Cabinet of
> Horrors' Takes Shape | Common Dreams | Breaking News & Views for
> the
> Progressive Community
> Message-ID:
> <CA+j2Q+CZLX8bmVJhrxUXd93h2=GNeWmY2f1X_ktJQC0RhaRamQ@mail.
> gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/11/10/trump-
> transitions-power-cabinet-horrors-takes-shape
>
> Published on
> Thursday, November 10, 2016
> by
> Common Dreams <http://www.commondreams.org>
> As Trump Transitions to Power, 'Cabinet of Horrors' Takes Shape
>
> Climate skeptics, oil tycoons, campaign loyalists, war hawks, and law
> enforcement enthusiasts top the list of potential appointees
> by
> Lauren McCauley, staff writer
> <http://www.commondreams.org/author/lauren-mccauley-staff-writer>
> 60 Comments
> <http://commons.commondreams.org/t/as-trump-transitions-to-
> power-cabinet-of-horrors-takes-shape/32714>
>
> Yup, her too. (Photo: Gage Skidmore
> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/gageskidmore/8571336506>/cc/flickr)
>
> As President-elect Donald Trump
> <http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/11/09/wtf-usa-shock-
> and-horror-donald-trump-wins-presidency>
> began his transition to power on Thursday, early reporting has opened a
> window into what the nation can expect as his "cabinet of horrors," as
> *AFP* put
> it
> <http://www.france24.com/en/20161110-usa-trump-cabinet-
> horrors-democrats-giuliani-christie-carson>,
> takes shape.
>
> New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Rudy Giuliani, Ben Carson, Newt Gingrich,
> Florida Gov. Rick Scott, and former Alaskan Gov. Sarah Palin are among the
> more high-profile individuals named on a shortlist of potential appointees
> leaked
> <http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-election-day/
> gingrich-giuliani-priebus-eyed-top-jobs-trump-white-house-sources-n678881>
> to several
> <https://www.buzzfeed.com/johnstanton/secretary-of-
> education-ben-carson-heres-a-list-potential-tru?utm_term=.
> tgeMGbjG7#.oa5bV1aVQ>
> news outlets.
>
> On Wednesday, *BuzzFeed News* published
> <https://www.buzzfeed.com/johnstanton/secretary-of-
> education-ben-carson-heres-a-list-potential-tru?utm_term=.
> tgeMGbjG7#.oa5bV1aVQ>a
> list of 41 names suggested for 13 positions, including attorney general,
> secretary of state, White House chief of staff, and White House counsel.
>
> And while some, like Christie, were unsurprising, as *Salon*'s Brendan
> Gauthier wrote
> <http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/in-donald-trumps-cabinet-
> from-hell-corporatism-and-cronyism-run-rampant-and-
> sarah-palin-may-be-there-too/>,
> "The people whose names you don't recognize are as bad or worse as those
> whose names you're sick of hearing."
>
> For example, Retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, who is being considered to
> head the Department of Defense, "was fired from his post as head of the
> Defense Intelligence Agency in 2014, which he attributed to his
> hawkishness," Gauthier reports.
>
> Oil executive Forrest Lucas is favored to take over the Department of the
> Interior, multiple outlets have reported
> <http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/forrest-lucas-
> trump-interior-secretary-228364>.
> "That's a position that oversees land management, national parks and
> wildlife reserves, and Lucas at the helm would represent a nightmare
> scenario for environmentalists," *AFP* reported.
>
> Also being considered for that position is Palin, the former vice
> presidential candidate made famous for her love of hunting
> <https://www.thedodo.com/sarah-palin-animal-villain-999374582.html> and
> frequent chants of "drill, baby, drill."
>
> It has previously been revealed
> <https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trump-picks-top-
> climate-skeptic-to-lead-epa-transition/>that
> top climate skeptic Myron Ebell, who serves as director of the Center for
> Energy and Environment at the conservative Competitive Enterprise
> Institute, is spearheading transition plans for the Environmental
> Protection Agency (EPA)?a department Trump repeatedly vowed
> <http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/09/regulation-buster-trump-
> takes-aim-at-the-epa.html>to
> dismantle during his run-up to the election.
>
> "In some cases," *BuzzFeed* reports, "it appears the transition team is
> looking to find a home for a particularly loyal ally?Ben Carson, for
> instance, is listed as a potential candidate to be the secretary of
> education and secretary of health and human services, while Sen. Jeff
> Sessions is listed as a possible attorney general, head of the Office of
> Management and Budget, or secretary of defense."
>
> As for the heavy-hitters, former Republican House speaker Gingrich is being
> floated for the position of secretary of state, which *AFP* notes, "would
> have major implications for U.S. foreign policy and Washington?s role in
> the international community."
>
> Gingrich, who has lauded
> <http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/08/15/newt-gingrich-
> hannity-donald-trump-speech-isis-radical-islam-was-historic>Trump's
> approach to foreign policy, has had his own international views described
> as "unpredictable,
> <http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/01/
> the-dangerously-unpredictable-foreign-policy-of-newt-gingrich/251734/>"
> "hawkish
> <http://demerarawaves.com/2016/11/09/guyana-caribbean-
> told-to-brace-for-aggressive-us-foreign-policy/>,"
> and "shameless
> <http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/11/07/why_
> newt_gingrich_would_be_a_perfect_secretary_of_state_for_trump.html>
> ."
>
> Meanwhile, Christie and Giuliani?each
> <http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/11/04/two-top-
> allies-trump-surrogate-chris-christie-found-guilty-role-bridgegate>
> with their own questionable
> <http://www.businessinsider.com/criticism-for-giulianis-
> broken-windows-theory-2014-12>
> interpretations of the law?are reportedly in competition for the role of
> attorney general. This particular appointment, Maurice Chammah wrote
> <https://www.themarshallproject.org/2016/11/09/what-trump-s-win-means-
> for-chicago-and-baltimore-s-cops#.pih2ma4W8>
> at the criminal justice-focused Marshall Project on Wednesday, is "poised
> to upend...[o]ne of the Obama administration's most aggressive civil rights
> tactics?the investigation and forced reform of local police departments."
>
> "Under a new attorney general," Chammah wrote, "priorities could shift
> practically overnight. New investigations could grind to a halt, and
> court-ordered consent decrees could stall as career [Department of Justice]
> lawyers are ordered to abandon their efforts"?which would be a serious blow
> to the criminal justice reform movement.
>
> The list provided to *BuzzFeed* is included below, but these 41 names only
> scratch the surface of a Trump administration. As the recently-launched
> transition website Greatagain.gov <https://www.greatagain.gov/> notes, the
> incoming administration is responsible for selecting candidates for
> "approximately 4,100 presidential appointments."
>
> *List of Potential Trump Cabinet Nominees:*
>
> *Attorney General:*
>
> - NJ Gov. Chris Christie
> - Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi
> - Alabama Sen. Jeff Sessions
> - Former NYC Mayor Rudy Giuliani
>
> *Secretary of Commerce:*
>
> - NJ Gov. Chris Christie
> - Former Nucor CEO Dan DiMicco
> - Businessman Lew Eisenberg
> - Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee
> - Georgia Sen. David Purdue
> - Former Missouri Sen. Jim Talent
>
> *Agriculture Secretary:*
>
> - Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback
> - National Council of Farmer Cooperatives CEO Chuck Conner
> - Former Nebraska Gov. Dave Heineman
> - Texas Agricultural Commissioner Sid Miller
> - Former Georgia Gov. Sonny Perdue
>
> *Secretary of Education:*
>
> - Ben Carson
> - Hoover Institution fellow William Evers
>
> *Secretary of Energy:*
>
> - Venture Capitalist Robert Grady
> - Businessman Harold Hamm
>
> *Secretary of Health and Human Services:*
>
> - Former New Jersey state Sen. Rich Bagger
> - Ben Carson
> - Former US House Speaker Newt Gingrich
> - Florida Gov. Rick Scott
>
> *Secretary of Homeland Security:*
>
> - NJ Gov. Chris Christie
> - Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke
>
> *Secretary of the Interior:*
>
> - Former Arizaona Gov. Jan Brewer
> - Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin
> - Venture Capitalist Robert Grady
> - Businessman Harold Hamm
> - Oil Executive Forrest Lucas
> - Rep. Cynthia Lummis
> - Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin
>
> *Secretary of Defense:*
>
> - Retired Lt. Gen. Mike Flynn
> - Former Bush National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley
> - Rep. Duncan Hunter Jr.
> - Alabama Sen. Jeff Sessions
> - Former Missouri Sen. Jim Talent
>
> *Secretary of State:*
>
> - Former UN Ambassador John Bolton
> - Tennessee Sen. Bob Corker
> - Former US House Speaker Newt Gingrich
>
> *Treasury Secretary:*
>
> - US Rep. Jeb Hensarling
> - Businessman Carl Icahn
> - Former Goldman Sachs Banker Steven Mnuchin
>
> *Chief of Staff:*
>
> - Reince Priebus
>
> *Director of Office of Management and Budget:*
>
> - Alabama Sen. Jeff Sessions
>
> *Secretary of Labor:*
>
> - EEOC Commissioner Victoria Lipnic
>
> *Veterans Affairs:*
>
> - Florida US Rep. Jeff Miller
>
> *White House Counsel:*
>
> - Former Chair of Federal Elections Commission Donald McGahn
>
> This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0
> License
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 10:24:54 +1100
> From: Robyn Francis <robyn@permaculture.com.au>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] This list, permaculture and discussion
> traffic.
> Message-ID: <C4E22C71-B681-4E11-8E73-28956749D56D@permaculture.com.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment Bob. IMO the only people that
> need to be turfed off the list should be spammers and we don?t seem to
> suffer from those. This process is filling up my inbox in a most annoying
> way ? it takes time to delete all these messages. Have faith that if people
> don?t unsubscribe or request to leave the list they?re happy to participate
> and readers are valuable. Value the marginal, and that includes the
> ?lurkers?
> Robyn
>
> > On 9 Nov 2016, at 3:50 pm, Bob Waldrop <bob@bobwaldrop.net> wrote:
> >
> > I think that you are on the verge of destroying this conversation.
> Listeners are as important as talkers. It doesn't seem to me that anything
> is broken about this conversation. So I'm not sure what you are trying to
> fix. Given the situation in the world right now, to destroy a conversation
> such as this would be a crime against a better future.
> >
> > Bob Waldrop, Oklahoma City
> >
> > On 11/8/2016 10:12 PM, Lawrence London wrote:
> >> This list was created to provide a place for exchange of ideas, news,
> >> resources and Q&A.
> >> It is not for endless lurking, never posting or replying.
> >>
> >> I need a show of hands from subscribers who want to remain in the list.
> >> Post a reply to this message saying that you want to stay onboard and I
> >> will add your email ID to those who will remain subscribed.
> >> Those I have known here over the years and those who have posted in the
> >> past year or so will be automatically included,
> >>
> >> Other list owners I have known have done this and managed to keep their
> >> forums alive and active. I intend to do this here.
> >> The message archives and the list mirror will remain accessable and
> >> searchable by the public...
> >> One week ought to be enough time to get this sorted out.
> >
> > permaculture mailing list
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> > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/permaculture
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 00:01:02 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Michael Pilarski <friendsofthetrees@yahoo.com>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] This list, permaculture and discussion
> traffic.
> Message-ID: <2144710924.1730230.1478822462512@mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Keep me on the list though I sometimes don't respond for long periods of
> time.?
>
> Undoubtedly there are many others like me, One of the values of this
> listserve is that many people read it.? Reducing the number of readers
> reduces its value.?? My 2 cents.? ?Michael "Skeeter" Pilarski
> Permaculture - Wildcrafting - Medicinal Herbs & Seeds
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 10, 2016 3:26 PM, Robyn Francis <
> robyn@permaculture.com.au> wrote:
>
>
> I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment Bob.? IMO the only people that
> need to be turfed off the list should be spammers and we don?t seem to
> suffer from those. This process is filling up my inbox in a most annoying
> way ? it takes time to delete all these messages. Have faith that if people
> don?t unsubscribe or request to leave the list they?re happy to participate
> and readers are valuable. Value the marginal, and that includes the
> ?lurkers?
> Robyn
>
> > On 9 Nov 2016, at 3:50 pm, Bob Waldrop <bob@bobwaldrop.net> wrote:
> >
> > I think that you are on the verge of destroying this conversation.?
> Listeners are as important as talkers. It doesn't seem to me that anything
> is broken about this conversation.? So I'm not sure what you are trying to
> fix.? Given the situation in the world right now, to destroy a conversation
> such as this would be a crime against a better future.
> >
> > Bob Waldrop, Oklahoma City
> >
> > On 11/8/2016 10:12 PM, Lawrence London wrote:
> >> This list was created to provide a place for exchange of ideas, news,
> >> resources and Q&A.
> >> It is not for endless lurking, never posting or replying.
> >>
> >> I need a show of hands from subscribers who want to remain in the list.
> >> Post a reply to this message saying that you want to stay onboard and I
> >> will add your email ID to those who will remain subscribed.
> >> Those I have known here over the years and those who have posted in the
> >> past year or so will be automatically included,
> >>
> >> Other list owners I have known have done this and managed to keep their
> >> forums alive and active. I intend to do this here.
> >> The message archives and the list mirror will remain accessable and
> >> searchable by the public...
> >> One week ought to be enough time to get this sorted out.
> >
> > permaculture mailing list
> > permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:
> > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/permaculture
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> permaculture mailing list
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 21:07:16 -0500
> From: Natalie Tourelle <natalietourelle@gmail.com>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] This list, permaculture and discussion
> traffic.
> Message-ID: <582527D4.70907@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> I'd like to remain subscribed to this list.
> thank you.
>
> On 11/08/2016 11:12 PM, Lawrence London wrote:
> > This list was created to provide a place for exchange of ideas, news,
> > resources and Q&A.
> > It is not for endless lurking, never posting or replying.
> >
> > I need a show of hands from subscribers who want to remain in the list.
> > Post a reply to this message saying that you want to stay onboard and I
> > will add your email ID to those who will remain subscribed.
> > Those I have known here over the years and those who have posted in the
> > past year or so will be automatically included,
> >
> > Other list owners I have known have done this and managed to keep their
> > forums alive and active. I intend to do this here.
> > The message archives and the list mirror will remain accessable and
> > searchable by the public...
> > One week ought to be enough time to get this sorted out.
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 22:16:36 -0500
> From: "=?utf-8?b?RGFycmVsbCBFLiBGcmV5?=" <defrey@bioshelter.com>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] This list, permaculture and discussion
> traffic.
> Message-ID: <20161110221636.mi2br3g288wss8sc@webmail.bioshelter.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format="flowed"
>
> All good, Keep it going
> ?
>
> Darrell E. Frey
> Three Sisters Farm
> defrey@bioshelter.com
> www.bioshelter.com
>
> Author; Bioshelter Market Garden: A Permaculture Farm. New Society
> Publishing, 2011
>
> On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 21:07:16 -0500, Natalie Tourelle wrote:
>
> I'd like to remain subscribed to this list.
> thank you.
>
> On 11/08/2016 11:12 PM, Lawrence London wrote:
> > This list was created to provide a place for exchange of ideas, news,
> > resources and Q&A.
> > It is not for endless lurking, never posting or replying.
> >
> > I need a show of hands from subscribers who want to remain in the list.
> > Post a reply to this message saying that you want to stay onboard and I
> > will add your email ID to those who will remain subscribed.
> > Those I have known here over the years and those who have posted in the
> > past year or so will be automatically included,
> >
> > Other list owners I have known have done this and managed to keep their
> > forums alive and active. I intend to do this here.
> > The message archives and the list mirror will remain accessable and
> > searchable by the public...
> > One week ought to be enough time to get this sorted out.
> >
>
> permaculture mailing list
> permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:
> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/permaculture
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 23:30:37 -0500
> From: Jonathan Spencer <jss@mindspring.com>
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] This list, permaculture and discussion
> traffic.
> Message-ID: <dc319b36-021d-eb60-a467-f67ba180f60d@mindspring.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Keep me, please ! Thanks, Lawrence.
>
>
> On 11/10/2016 7:01 PM, Michael Pilarski via permaculture wrote:
> > Keep me on the list though I sometimes don't respond for long periods of
> time.
> >
> > Undoubtedly there are many others like me, One of the values of this
> listserve is that many people read it. Reducing the number of readers
> reduces its value. My 2 cents. Michael "Skeeter" Pilarski
> > Permaculture - Wildcrafting - Medicinal Herbs & Seeds
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, November 10, 2016 3:26 PM, Robyn Francis <
> robyn@permaculture.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment Bob. IMO the only people
> that need to be turfed off the list should be spammers and we don?t seem to
> suffer from those. This process is filling up my inbox in a most annoying
> way ? it takes time to delete all these messages. Have faith that if people
> don?t unsubscribe or request to leave the list they?re happy to participate
> and readers are valuable. Value the marginal, and that includes the
> ?lurkers?
> > Robyn
> >
> >> On 9 Nov 2016, at 3:50 pm, Bob Waldrop <bob@bobwaldrop.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> I think that you are on the verge of destroying this conversation.
> Listeners are as important as talkers. It doesn't seem to me that anything
> is broken about this conversation. So I'm not sure what you are trying to
> fix. Given the situation in the world right now, to destroy a conversation
> such as this would be a crime against a better future.
> >>
> >> Bob Waldrop, Oklahoma City
> >>
> >> On 11/8/2016 10:12 PM, Lawrence London wrote:
> >>> This list was created to provide a place for exchange of ideas, news,
> >>> resources and Q&A.
> >>> It is not for endless lurking, never posting or replying.
> >>>
> >>> I need a show of hands from subscribers who want to remain in the list.
> >>> Post a reply to this message saying that you want to stay onboard and I
> >>> will add your email ID to those who will remain subscribed.
> >>> Those I have known here over the years and those who have posted in the
> >>> past year or so will be automatically included,
> >>>
> >>> Other list owners I have known have done this and managed to keep their
> >>> forums alive and active. I intend to do this here.
> >>> The message archives and the list mirror will remain accessable and
> >>> searchable by the public...
> >>> One week ought to be enough time to get this sorted out.
> >> permaculture mailing list
> >> permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> >> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:
> >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/permaculture
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>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 09:59:06 -0500
> From: "Eisenhauer" <eisenhauerdesign@earthlink.net>
> To: "'permaculture'" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] This list, permaculture and discussion
> traffic.
> Message-ID: <008f01d23c2c$2a51b0b0$7ef51210$@earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I would like to stay of the list. I find it very resourceful.
> Steven Eisenhauer
> Artist
> Spring Mountain Farm
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: permaculture [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On
> Behalf
> Of Marsha Howe
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 5:45 AM
> To: permaculture
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] This list, permaculture and discussion traffic.
>
> I have learned a lot reading the experience here and read when I have time
> and would like to stay on.
>
> In grateful service,
>
> Marsha Howe
> Sustainable Neighbors
> Farm-A-Yard
> Urban Farming Education, Training & Events sustainableneighborsnc.com
> www.farm-a-yard.com NC Director of Food Education Guiding Wellness
> Institute
> www.guidingwellness.com
>
> > On Nov 8, 2016, at 11:12 PM, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > This list was created to provide a place for exchange of ideas, news,
> > resources and Q&A.
> > It is not for endless lurking, never posting or replying.
> >
> > I need a show of hands from subscribers who want to remain in the list.
> > Post a reply to this message saying that you want to stay onboard and
> > I will add your email ID to those who will remain subscribed.
> > Those I have known here over the years and those who have posted in
> > the past year or so will be automatically included,
> >
> > Other list owners I have known have done this and managed to keep
> > their forums alive and active. I intend to do this here.
> > The message archives and the list mirror will remain accessable and
> > searchable by the public...
> > One week ought to be enough time to get this sorted out.
> > --
> > Lawrence F. London, Jr.
> > lfljvenaura@gmail.com
> > https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared
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> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 13:07:49 -0500
> From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] This list, permaculture and discussion
> traffic.
> Message-ID:
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> Thanks to everyone who responded to this simple rollcall to take the pulse
> of interest in and use of (how you make use of it/how it serves your needs)
> this permaculture list. I enjoyed reading all your replies and hope
> everyone else did too. It was nice meeting many of you although briefly. I
> wish you the best with the diverse work, projects and lifestyles you are
> all involved with round the clock. If there is anything I can do to make
> this list more useful and more interesting let me know. I plan to resub all
> those lurkers dropped during the last rollcall as soon as I have time to
> compile the email ID's.
>
> LL
>
> --
> Lawrence F. London, Jr.
> lfljvenaura@gmail.com
> https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared
>
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