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  • From: Toby Hemenway <toby@patternliteracy.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] Advance notes on Permaculture Standards and Principals for NAPC
  • Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 10:23:06 -0700

I'd be honored to be a part of this working group. These are issues that
should be discussed, and I think it won't be hard for a working group to come
up with resolutions and proposals. I imagine that there will be some dissent
from the contingent of permaculturists that confuses developing standards
with imposing authority, but you know, they can help, or they can choose not
to play. I also suspect both PI-USA and PINA have very similar ideas about
most of the topics Scott mentions.

I hope NAPC can also be a place where the large amount of work already done
by PI-USA on curriculum, teaching qualifications, certificates, and more can
be acknowledged and transmitted.

While Permaculture Capitalism is a fascinating subject, I think about 4 hours
could be spent just getting everyone on the same page on their definitions of
capitalism, because I think part of the problem is that people define it in
very different ways. A farm stand is capitalist in some people's minds, for
others it is Monsanto, or the Federal Reserve, or Steve Jobs, or the
Permaculture Credit Union, or Slav Davidzon. We'd have to get that sorted out
first before we could actually discuss the subject. So I'd prefer to have
that discussion elsewhere, or after everything else is done.

NB on spelling: we're talking about principles, not principals. Ah, the
Anguish language.

Toby
http://patternliteracy.com


On Aug 17, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Scott Pittman <scott@permaculture.org> wrote:

> This is meant to expedite this working group and to serve as a focusing tool
> for the participants. I am certainly open to adding to the agenda. I have
> high hopes that this NAPC will be a working event and that we will be able
> to reach some understanding of what is meant when one uses the word
> permaculture and permaculture design course.
>
>
>
> I also hope to stimulate some online discussion prior to the NAPC. Those of
> you who are more computer literate than I please share to other web sites
> where it might generate interest.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott Pittman
>
>
>
>
>
> Permaculture Standards and Principals
>
>
>
> This work group will look at PC Standards and Principals in a general way
> and then more specifically at the Permaculture Design Course Standards and
> Principals.
>
>
>
> By standards I mean such things as how many days is a PDC, what is the
> curriculum, who issues certificates, who is qualified to teach a PDC, and
> other questions. By principals I am attempting to reach an understanding of
> how does permaculture ethics come into play as practiced by the permaculture
> teacher and designer.
>
>
>
> The following is a partial agenda for discussion:
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>
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> o What is a PDC
>
> o Who is qualified to teach a PDC
>
> o How much time is required for a PDC
>
> o What is the curriculum of a PDC
>
> o What exercises are required for a PDC
>
> o What is the price of a PDC
>
> o Who issues the PDC certificate and under what authority
>
> o What is a PC Diploma
>
> o Who is qualified to issue a Diploma
>
> o What are the requirements for a Diploma
>
> o How do PC ethics apply to teachers and designers
>
> o Is PC Capitalism an oxymoron
>
>
>
> To be perfectly candid the Permaculture Institute has already developed a
> standard for the PDC and the Diploma and my interest is in knowing should we
> have a standard that applies to all teachers and designers? This work group
> will look at the above and other issues and hopefully reach some conclusions
> that could be presented to the general body to be further discussed and
> perhaps adapted.
>
>
>
> I believe that a PDC is a certification course that is the first step toward
> an apprenticeship in permaculture and does not confer the right to teach or
> to design. Rather it introduces one to the ideas of permaculture and the
> students may pursue further study to become a teacher or designer. The
> Permaculture Institute follows a policy that one should have a Diploma of
> Permaculture before teaching or designing on their own.
>
>
>
> I also believe that PDC courses require a minimum of 12 days to reach
> certificate standards, and 3 weeks would be preferable. The minimum
> standard of 72 hours face time established by Bill Mollison did not include
> any hands on exercises, student design, videos, or other extracurricular
> activity. The 72 hours was intended to cover the basic curriculum of
> permaculture design.
>
>
>
> The standards of the Permaculture Institute is that a teacher of the PDC is
> ethically bound to certain standards of teaching and of following the
> curriculum plus any new information or techniques that update the curriculum
> ie Global Climate Change.
>
>
>
> I look forward to this discussion and hope this information is helpful in
> preparing for the discussion. I am attaching the curriculum of the
> Permaculture Institute as well as the curriculum of Robin Francis as
> examples of Curricula that is currently being used. I also recommend
> Rosemary Morrow's new edition of "A Teachers Handbook".
>
>
>
> Scott Pittman
>
> Permaculture Institute
>
>
>
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