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  • From: "John & Maia O'Brien" <johnandmaia@gmail.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] Sampling of bee and other pollinator sightings this year by list subscribers wherever you are.
  • Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 20:34:43 -0700

If you take the time to view the information at the link to Xerces.org I
supplied, you would learn that neonicotinoids are indeed not the only
factor adversely affecting honeybees, but they make several other factors
worse, including increasing toxicity of both miticides and other chemicals
used to "treat" bees, increasing susceptibility to diseases like nosema,
decreased weight & number of brood in bumblebees, and inhibition of
navigation abilities.
and *limiting their use is something specific measurable, action-oriented
realistic and timely we can do something about now.*
*
*
No I'm not shouting, but I am speaking in a loud outdoor voice.

John O'Brien


On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 5:51 PM, John D'hondt <dhondt@eircom.net> wrote:

>
> I still think that other factors besides neonicotinoids are doing
> pollinators no good. Reason I say this is that in my area I can not see
> anybody using these insectisides within a ten mile radius and maybe farther
> and still the pollinators are declining fast.
> Mobile phone masts were mentioned before and I think this may well be true.
> And maybe there are other factors that we still don't know about. It is
> most
> probably a combination of several factors all combining to give the effect
> we see.
> This does not mean that we should not stop the use of neonicotinoids
> immediately.
> john in Ireland
>
> >I am located in Olympia, Wa. Over the last 6 years, members of the Olympia
> > Beekeepers Association have experienced average hive losses similar to
> > other areas: 30-37%.
> >
> > Over this last winter, this leaped up to an alarming 75-85% of hives.
> It's
> > not just amateurs making in beginner mistakes (we've had a huge influx of
> > new students to our apprentice program), but includes experienced
> > professionals with 40-50 years of experience managing bees. In addition
> > bumblebees and other pollinators are way down. Some of the 12 native
> > species of bumblebees in Washington have seen decreases of 97%.
> >
> > Just within the past few weeks this was published by xerces.org, Xerces
> > Society for Invertebrate Preservation
> >
> > http://www.xerces.org/neonicotinoids-and-bees/
> >
> > Ya think maybe they're related? Duh. Xerces thinks so. If you don't read
> > the entire 44 page pdf report, at least read the executive summary.
> >
> > John O'Brien
> >
> >
> > On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Lawrence F. London, Jr. <
> > venaurafarm@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> A friend suggested I take a poll in the list to see what bees and other
> >> pollinators everyone has seen this year around the world. He lives in
> >> mid eastern NC and is alarmed at the lack of honeybees he has seen since
> >> early spring. He is on the edge of a vast truck farming region in the
> >> state but may of the crops grown are heavily dependent on pollinators
> >> and commercial beekeepers bring many thousands of hives to these farms
> >> each year, attempting to time their arrival and departure between
> >> pesticide applications.
> >>
> >> What pollinators have you seen where you are this year? more, less,
> >> bumper crop, none?
> >>
> >> I have plenty on my 6+ acres because I encourage them and have three
> >> small wet weather ponds. I have huge crops of wildflowers for them to
> >> gather pollen from and I leave them where they are and hope the stands
> >> will get bigger (daisies, goldenrod, tulip poplar, blackberries, wild
> >> roses, ragweed, eleagnus, wild cherry, wild plum and many more).
> >>
> >> LL
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