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  • From: Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] "all of Nature has mind and memory"
  • Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 19:09:11 -0800 (PST)

Simlar experiences I've had with the natural world are a big reason I am a
permaculturist. There are many who feel the same way, you are far from alone. 




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From: Daniel Jager <dfjager@yahoo.com>
To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] "all of Nature has mind and memory"

Yeah, actually I have had more of those experiences, but I wanted to kind of
'test the waters' on this forum.

I am all for science (I am trained as a scientist myself), but sometimes
people can take science as a religion and in such cases they are often quick
to ridicule that which is not readily measurable or which does not fit the
present paradigm.

Glad to see that at least the mere mention of these ideas does not get
torpedoed.

Daniel

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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 18:18:32 -0800
> From: carolyn anderson <cschampagne@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] "all of Nature has mind and
> memory"
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> I walk in the forest often and feel the communion of all
> that exists there
> every time.  I have given names to the rocks; hear the
> trees whisper,
> breathe and sing; feel the tender-loving-care of the earth
> under my feet.
> Of course everything that exists has consciousness. 
> It's consciousness
> that precedes existence!
>
> No need to prove anything to anyone at all.  This is
> an experiential
> knowing.  Science wants data to believe what the heart
> already knows.
>
> Carolyn
>

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Subject: [SANET-MG] is Harpin allowed in organic crops?
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 22:59:39 -0500
From: jcummins <jcummins@UWO.CA>
Reply-To: Sustainable Agriculture Network Discussion Group
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Harpin (MESSENGER®)
In nature, Harpin is produced by Erwinia amylovora, a bacterium that
causes the disease fire blight in apples and pears. A weakened strain of
Escherichia coli was modified to produce Harpin on a commercial scale.
Commercially produced Harpin protein is identical to the protein that
occurs in nature. E. coli K-12 is considered to be a non-pathogenic,
nutritionally deficient bacterium which is unable to grow in the
environment. Harpin is concentrated from the growth medium of the
genetically modified E. coli, and the bacterial cells are killed and
removed from the marketed product.
Harpin does not act directly on the disease organism, nor does it alter
the DNA of treated plants, but instead activates a natural defense
mechanism in the host plant, referred to as systemic acquired resistance
(SAR). This new active ingredient is currently the only broad-spectrum,
proteinaceous elicitor of SAR commercially available. Harpin is
effective against certain viral diseases for which there are no other
controls or resistant plant varieties. It also protects against
soil-borne pathogens and pests, such as certain nematodes and fungal
diseases, which have few effective controls except for methyl bromide,
which has adverse human health and environmental impacts.
The harpin gene has been used to produce GM rapeseed,
cotton,chrysanthemum and rice.However, these crops are in an early stage
of development.
I wonder if Harpin can be used in organic production?





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