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  • From: Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] Carbon farming as solution to climate change?
  • Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 23:28:07 -0700 (PDT)

Steven,

Wow, that is amazing weather! An interesting anecdote. Wasn't sure how
applicable biochar is in the northern climes. I would be very interested in
hearing your results with it!

cORY

--- On Wed, 4/28/10, Steven & Margaret Eisenhauer
<eisenhauerdesign@earthlink.net> wrote:

> From: Steven & Margaret Eisenhauer <eisenhauerdesign@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Carbon farming as solution to climate change?
> To: "'permaculture'" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 5:11 PM
> Hello Cory,
> We are in the Champlain valley of the Adirondacks - upstate
> New York USA.
> We are in the Adirondack Park in the historic apple growing
> region
> sandwiched between Lake George and Lake Champlain.  We
> have just had a
> record setting storm with northern New York and Northern
> Vermont getting up
> to 20" of snow (April 27th - 28th).  We had just a
> little snow that
> collected on our apple blossoms that are at the pink
> stage.  This is after
> unusually warm weather which put us about a month ahead of
> schedule with
> apple development.
>
> Steven Eisenhauer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]
> On Behalf Of Cory Brennan
> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 12:40 AM
> To: permaculture
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Carbon farming as solution to
> climate change?
>
> A couple of articles on carbon sequestration of biochar
>
> http://www.biochar.org/joomla/
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biochar
>
> What part of the country are you in? I'm mainly familiar
> with tropical/semi
> tropical applications. Just read about a company in Iowa
> that is using
> biochar to grow corn...
>
> Cory
>
>
> --- On Thu, 4/22/10, Steven & Margaret Eisenhauer
> <eisenhauerdesign@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Steven & Margaret Eisenhauer <eisenhauerdesign@earthlink.net>
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Carbon farming as solution
> to climate change?
> > To: "'permaculture'" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Date: Thursday, April 22, 2010, 3:56 PM
> > Hello,
> > I have been generating charcoal with my down draft
> > gasification boiler and
> > composting with it.  I will be amending our 10 acres
> > of orchard and gardens
> > with it.  I hope it will help with our heavy clay
> > soils.  With all the talk
> > of carbon farming it got me thinking about the last
> 1000 -
> > 2000 years of
> > traditional farming that relied on the cycle of
> rotational
> > cropping with the
> > grazing of sod as a fertility builder, resulting in
> the
> > sequestration of
> > carbon as organic matter.  Then add in all the
> > charcoal sequestered as terra
> > preta over centuries or millennia. I wonder what the
> > cumulative effect of
> > this carbon sequestration has had on climate over such
> a
> > long period.  I
> > gather that industrial farming has been running on
> the
> > burning off of this
> > carbon resulting in depleted soils and lost fertility
> as
> > well as wide spread
> > disease from under mineralized soils.   
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> > [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]
> > On Behalf Of Cory
> > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 10:59 AM
> > To: permaculture
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Carbon farming as solution
> to
> > climate change?
> >
> > Anybody working with Terra preta to sequester
> carbon/build
> > soils? We're
> > experimenting with it in florida's semitropical sandy
> > soils
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Holger Hieronimi <holger@tierramor.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hola-
> >
> > Like every strategy in permaculture, the power lies
> in
> > relationships and a
> > systemic perspective -
> >
> > There always exists the danger of over-promotion one
> > "solution" (f. ex. :
> > Carbon sequestering in soils by raising organic
> matter), if
> > we don´t put it
> > in context with all the other proposals that
> permaculture
> > offers- ethical
> > and design principles of PC provide an essential
> framework
> > here, as Darren
> > points out-
> >
> > I recently purchased "Priority One" by Alan Yeomans
> (often
> > cited as one of
> > the basic books en relation to carbon farming) and am
> quite
> > surprised &
> > intrigued by the authors insistence in nuclear energy
> and
> > biofuels. He gets
> > even so far, that he denounces a conspiracy of Oil
> > Companies and
> > Environmental Activists TOGETHER, against Nuclear
> Energy.
> >
> > O.K, this guy is a nuclear physicist and probably
> defends
> > his playground,
> > but it seems that the "big message" ("sequestering
> all
> > excess CO2 in the
> > atmosphere with agriculture in 10 years") gets diluted
> and
> > loses
> > considerable credibility and even relevance, if this
> means
> > that we have to
> > build hundreds of nuclear power plants and cultivate
> > biodiesel ...
> >
> > Addressing climate change without considering
> resource
> > constrains, is a well
> > explored strategy used by governments, corporations
> and
> > other technocrats.
> > Its part of the problem.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > holger
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > El 13:59, Darren Doherty escribió:
> > Thanks Toby,
> >
> > No insult was felt from Rain's post: I am indeed glad
> that
> > he voiced the
> > opinion that he did such that I could respond and that
> you
> > could too
> > Toby....
> >
> > Look from my perspective its a clear issue that we all
> have
> > to take on in
> > every activity: the Permaculture Ethics provide this
> > blueprint and for me I
> > take them very seriously...the Holistic Management
> Decision
> > Making framework
> > only aids this process in determining for me (and
> many
> > others) the way to
> > ensuring that they decisions we make around things
> like air
> > travel, burning
> > brush, felling this tree or that, using cement, flail
> > mowing, sowing or
> > grazing etc etc. effect positively the Primary Client
> > (Gaia), its
> > inhabitants and their financial situations.
> >
> > Of course I have been charged with being Carbon
> Negative
> > (my preference of
> > semantry!) many times and I have done the math many
> times
> > to prove that I
> > and my family emit far, far less carbon than we
> sequester:
> > especially in
> > soil carbon but also in vegetation stores (of millions
> of
> > trees actually -
> > about 2.5million or so at last count)....what concerns
> me
> > is how much Carbon
> > send out of the mouths without returning it to the
> > lithosphere (Carbon
> > positivity!) and that is the ultimate challenge to all
> of
> > us in every
> > activity: that's being a conscious being in this day
> and
> > age....
> >
> > So moving on from the adversarial to the action-based
> > process I commend to
> > all to get moving on working in whatever way you can
> from
> > the policy level
> > through to the land on getting ourselves and Gaia back
> into
> > some kind of
> > order: its the least we can all do to reply to our
> > wholesale insult to
> > her....
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > Darren
> >
> >
> >
> >
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