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  • From: "Bob Waldrop" <bwaldrop@cox.net>
  • To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] Permaculture wikis & making a major impact
  • Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:32:46 -0700

I think that cyberspace can be fairly compared to an eco-system. Mono-cultures are an issue. I think it is better for the movement to let many flowers bloom in cyberspace. All of the permaculture sites can be linked and their articles and such should show up in search engines, so I don't know that there is any inherent advantage in everybody working on only one site, since links back and forth effectively make the whole cyber-ecosystem for permaculture potentially available from every permaculture site linked to the others . Sort of like rhizomes underground and runners above ground. There is an article about and a link to the Appropedia wiki at www.permaculture.info , but it is rather rudimentary. Perhaps when you get back online you could expand it a bit so it is more useful.

I also don't see any particular utility on concentrating on one domain name. I have six active websites, each with a different domain name, linked to each other, the names are immediately recognizable and thus are utility. Every day an average of 1,000 people download 2.5 pages of information, and the server logs indicate that the various domains point traffic to each other, which is good. So if someone finds me because they searched for "hamburger casserole" or "how to bake bread", then they may continue on to learn something about energy conservation, or permaculture design, or social justice, or how to start a local food cooperative or how to make and use bulgar.

I am glad you are working on making the Appropedia site a more useful resource. But I am also glad that others are doing their own thing with other permaculture-related wikis. The multitude of sites suggests resiliency to me.

Bob Waldrop, Oklahoma City
www.barkingfrogspermaculture.org
www.energyconservationinfo.org

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From: "Chris Watkins" <chriswaterguy@appropedia.orge
To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>r,
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 8:59 AM
Subject: [permaculture] Permaculture wikis & making a major impact


I see that permaculture.info as some activity again, and the spammers seem
to have been pushed back - this is great.
I work with Appropedia.org, knowledge sharing for sustainability. (Note I
"work" rather than "get paid" but it's my passion and I'm nsure many of you
understand what I mean). This is a very active sustainability and
development wiki, covering all topics in green technology, green living,
design, agriculture, appropriate
tech<http://www.appropedia.org/Appropriate_technology>,
covering topical info, best practice, projects, how-tos... you name it. It's
the biggest such site, and is growing, with student classes in North America
and individuals around the world creating useful content and sharing their
distilled knowledge and their wisdom.

I have a few hours before I'm offline for a few weeks, so I'll be direct and
throw this out there:


To make a real difference in the fate of humankind and our environment, we
need to be having not even 100 times the current impact of Appropedia, but
1000 times. There's so much fluff and hot air in the media, when what is
needed is to create more and more of substance, and get that in front of the
public.

I believe this is achievable, but not by working separately.

All of us together will help build something that stands out, above the sea
of greenwash, green commercialism, hot air (looking at you, Copenhagen
conference) and misinformation, and provide the knowledge that the world
needs.






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