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  • From: "Kathleen O'Brien-Blair" <ktho@kc.rr.com>
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  • Subject: [permaculture] Re:Plantetary Permaculture Calendars
  • Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 08:31:24 -0500

The North American link doesn't work.

Kathleen O'Brien-Blair
Kansas City, MO

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> 1. Kim Stanley Robinson - Mars Trilogy (Keith Johnson)
> 2. Another good read (John Schinnerer)
> 3. Planetary Permaculture Calendars (Keith Johnson)
> 4. Viridian Principles (Gaden@ziplip.com)
> 5. Humble Apologies (Gaden@ziplip.com)
> 6. Iraq report -NGO/ media (Russ Grayson)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:05:00 -0400
> From: Keith Johnson <keithdj@mindspring.com>
> Subject: [permaculture] Kim Stanley Robinson - Mars Trilogy
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> I'd like to add my recommendation of this excellent trilogy.
> Thought-provoking, stimulating, educational, and HIGHLY entertaining.
> Keith
>
> > Kim Stanley Robinson - Mars Trilogy
> >
> >Re: Russ Grayson's - "A contemporary SF writer, Kim Stanley Robinson, has
produced a compilation of ecotopian writing that is currently in the
bookshops - sorry, don't recall the title. He wrote the Mars trilogy (Red
Mars, Green Mars, Blue Mars) which, while in the SF genre, explore the
terraformation of the planet to make it habitable for humankind."
> >
> >I heartily endorse Robinson's Mars series. Though within a SF framework,
these books introduce many concepts of alternative economic systems,
alternative community structures,and decision making processes. Alternative
monetary/currency/barter systems. Extensively examines the many different
forms of ecopolitics.
> >
> >Though these works are obviously fictional, they have been exhaustively
researched and based on actual systems/idealogies. These books gave me many
weeks of internet research as I followed up on various, sometimes obscure
idealogies mentioned within the story. And if all that wasn't enough, they
are a damn good read for the story alone. Good long-distance travel reading
material.
> >
> >Gaiden
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:25:22 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "John Schinnerer" <john@eco-living.net>
> Subject: [permaculture] Another good read
> To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Aloha,
>
> Aldous Huxley is best known for his dark and pessimistic "Brave New World"
> (not to be confused...or is it?...with "new world order"...).
>
> However, he got over it as he got older and wiser, and his last complete
> book was an IMO excellent 'utopian' novel entitled 'Island'.
>
> He appears to have done some protracted and thoughtful observation of what
> the pathological patterns in his and similar cultures were, and then he
> came up with different patterns, portrayed in the novel, that are most
> often wholistic and systemic and designerly. That the whole 'experiment'
> was started by a 'Westerner' and an 'Easterner' in collaboration is a nice
> touch.
>
> The fact that the 'Island' manner of living is threatened most by
> oil-greed outsiders makes it frighteningly contemporary - Huxley didn't
> become a *complete* optimist...
>
>
>
> John Schinnerer, MA
> -------------------------
> - Eco-Living -
> Cultural & Ecological Designing
> People - Place - Learning - Integration
> john@eco-living.net
> http://eco-living.net
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:17:12 -0400
> From: Keith Johnson <keithdj@mindspring.com>
> Subject: [permaculture] Planetary Permaculture Calendars
> To: Permaculture ibiblio <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>,
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> Many of you already use these calendars (and even follow most of the
> instructions!). I hope they've proven to be an effective way for people
> to find out about your events. Here's an update in case you were unaware
> of the specialized calendars that have been added.
> Keith
>
> Planetary Permaculture Calendars
> Read about, or post your own, Permaculture courses and events.
> If you use these calendars to promote your events, PLEASE
> read and follow the instructions and give just the title, location, and
> links.
> Brevity allows more people to use it. Thanks.
> North America <http://www.calendars.net:8187/permacal_> Europe
> <http://www.calsnet.com/europepc> Australia / Oceania
> <http://www.calsnet.com/austral_oceania> Africa
> <http://www.calsnet.com/africapc> South America
> <http://www.calsnet.com/samerica> All Other
> <http://www.calsnet.com/pcmiscint>
>
>
>
> Planetary Permaculture Calendars
> Read about, or post your own, Permaculture courses and events.
> If you use these calendars to promote your events, PLEASE
> read and follow the instructions and give just the title, location, and
> links.
> Brevity allows more people to use it. Thanks.
> North America <http://www.calendars.net:8187/permacal_>
> Europe <http://www.calsnet.com/europepc>
> Australia / Oceania <http://www.calsnet.com/austral_oceania>
> Africa <http://www.calsnet.com/africapc>
> South America <http://www.calsnet.com/samerica>
> All Other <http://www.calsnet.com/pcmiscint>
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> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:14:48 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "Gaden@ziplip.com" <Gaden@ziplip.com>
> Subject: [permaculture] Viridian Principles
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> It is a bit quiet at the moment so I'll be a little self-indulgent here.
Somebody asked recently about how useful the internet really was to us
personally, given that it is also heavily dependant on a petrocarbon
economy.
>
> Information. Personally I find it a very useful tool for tracking down
obscure caches of information and ideas that other, in the non-cyber world,
would be very difficult to access. No matter how obscure the thought,
someone somewhere in the world has probably set up a web page about it.
>
> Networking. Connecting people with people is another obvious strength of
internet. This goes beyond just waving (or rudely gesturing!) to the
neighbors over the cyberfence. It taps into the memetic potential of
dialogue. (Ideas as transmissible microorganisms.) The flow of ideas and
concepts from one to another.
>
> This can start of new directions in the flow of personal thoughts, often
in a way that doesn't directly relate to the actual conversation itself. (I
keep meaning to post my "Wwoofers - Memetic Agents of Change" essay)
>
> Thinking. I also enjoy it as a thinking tool. Free association of thoughts
and ideas through absurd leaps of creative intuition. No-one there to
criticize your weird juxtaposing of apparent dissimilar concepts.
Cyber-wandering through a forest of web pages from one link to another.
Ability to instantly query & search an unfamiliar term.
>
> Ofcourse one needs to learn good navigation skills, filing and saving any
interesting tidbits found along the way for future digestion. Easy to become
lost and overwhelmed in the data detritus. It can also be very
time-consuming. Easy to forget that at some point the reading needs to
become the doing. Otherwise, why bother, life just becomes another recycled
TV soap opera.
>
> Anyway, the above paragraphs started out life as a brief (sic!) intro to
the following. In chasing up on Scott's mention of "The Martins", I
travelled through realms of 'hard science fiction', ecotaurs and ended up
with the following cyber-artist community - Viridian Movement. I thought
some of the stated Viridian Principles may be of interest to some here. Web
address at the end.
>
> Gaiden
>
>
>
> "Avoid the Timeless, Embrace Decay"
>
> Platonic visions of absolute reality, and Christian visions of eternity,
are very unhealthy for bipedal mammals in a biosphere. Nothing physical is
eternal.It's very bad design to create some device which quickly ceases to
function, while its useless components persist around us, ugly and
dangerous. Entropy deserves our respect and attention.
>
> "Planned Evanescence"
>
> "Planned Obsolescence" means that a product will be driven off the market,
within a known time-frame, by some purported improvement. The Viridian
principle of "Planned Evanescence" extends this practice by demanding that
the product and all its physical traces should
> gracefully disintegrate and vanish entirely.
>
>
> "The Future is History -- Be When You Are"
>
> It's easy to get transfixed by romantic ideas of historical inevitability:
glamorous marches of progress, or gruesome congenital declines. But your
own epoch is your own problem.
>
>
> "Superstition Isn't Inspiration"
>
> A tarot deck can trigger strong feelings of creative insight, but it
doesn't convey higher wisdom. Like horoscopes and ouija boards, it uses
suggestion to allow you to tell yourself a story that you already know.
Don't mistake mystic wish-fulfillment and the promptings of your unconscious
for objective evidence.
>
>
> "Viridian Inactivism"
>
> Activism is an attention hog, and very time and energy intensive. A
better approach is to find the things you are doing that intensify the
problem, and just cease doing them.
>
>
> "The Biological Isn't Logical"
>
> But the living world was not designed by a teleological, rationalist,
reductionist process. The living world grew irrationally through
non-systematic, genetic exploration of niche possibilities, pruned back by
natural selection and occasional massive disasters. So if you're building
distributed networks, learn from crabgrass.
>
>
> "Walk Through the Walls of Knowledge Guilds"
>
> The boundaries that separate art, science, medicine, literature,
computation, engineering, and design and craft generally are not divinely
ordained. The most galling of these boundaries are socially generated
entities meant to protect the power-interests of knowledge guilds. Quantum
physics isn't opera. But there exists a sensibility that can serenely
ignore intellectual turf war, and comprehend both physics and opera.
>
> http://www.viridiandesign.org/principles.html
>
>
>
>
>
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> > Today's Topics:
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> > 1. I think it's called "The Martians (Gaden@ziplip.com)
> > 2. RE: I think it's called "The Martians (Scott Hitchins)
> > 3. www.permaculture.biz update (Darren J. Doherty)
> >
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:15:44 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: "Gaden@ziplip.com" <Gaden@ziplip.com>
> > Subject: [permaculture] I think it's called "The Martians
> > To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
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> > Re: Scott Hitchins - "I think it's called "The Martians"
> >
> > Thanks Scott, but no, it's not. The actual titles of the three books in
> > correct sequence is "Red Mars", "Green Mars",and "Blue Mars". The titles
> > reflect different stages in the terraforming of Mars humanity's evolving
> > relationship with it.
> >
> > Development of the planet is mirrored in the changing political
relationships
> > externally (with Earth) and internally. Ecopolitically parties on Mars
> > disagree about the manner and degree of the planet's terraforming. This
ranges
> > the full spectrum from those who think it should be untouched to those
who
> > wish to turn it into a corporate industrial/military extension of Earth.
> >
> > Amongst the political/economic framework is discussion of many radical
(and
> > actual) technological approaches to ecosystem management, energy
sources,
> > self-sufficient dome environments etc. Though SF, issues raised are
quite
> > contemporary. As I said before, damn good read for enlightened permies.
> >
> > Gaiden
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:40:30 +1000
> > From: "Scott Hitchins" <ScottH@wcig.org.au>
> > Subject: RE: [permaculture] I think it's called "The Martians
> > To: <Gaden@ziplip.com>, "permaculture"
> > <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Message-ID:
> > <0CE053FFB698944491E89127E0289761068F84@apps02.wcig.org.au>
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> > I've read the three books (A couple of times )."The Martians" is a
fourth book
> > by the same author that has additional short stories, policies and other
> > documents written by the colonists which seem to have a bit of a permie
> > influence.
> > -Scott
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gaden@ziplip.com [mailto:Gaden@ziplip.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2003 3:16 PM
> > To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > Subject: [permaculture] I think it's called "The Martians
> >
> >
> > Re: Scott Hitchins - "I think it's called "The Martians"
> >
> > Thanks Scott, but no, it's not. The actual titles of the three books in
> > correct sequence is "Red Mars", "Green Mars",and "Blue Mars". The titles
> > reflect different stages in the terraforming of Mars humanity's evolving
> > relationship with it.
> >
> > Development of the planet is mirrored in the changing political
relationships
> > externally (with Earth) and internally. Ecopolitically parties on Mars
> > disagree about the manner and degree of the planet's terraforming. This
ranges
> > the full spectrum from those who think it should be untouched to those
who
> > wish to turn it into a corporate industrial/military extension of Earth.
> >
> > Amongst the political/economic framework is discussion of many radical
(and
> > actual) technological approaches to ecosystem management, energy
sources,
> > self-sufficient dome environments etc. Though SF, issues raised are
quite
> > contemporary. As I said before, damn good read for enlightened permies.
> >
> > Gaiden
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 01:40:00 +1000
> > From: "Darren J. Doherty" <darren@permaculture.biz>
> > Subject: [permaculture] www.permaculture.biz update
> > To: <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>, "permaculture-oceania"
> > <permaculture-oceania@lists.cat.org.au>
> > Message-ID: <000201c33b30$0b9b4520$3225fea9@darren>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> >
> > Hello People,
> >
> > Just an invitation to visit our site as I have updated it in the
> > following sections. The imagery pages have around 500 annotated photos
> > to check out from projects I've designed and developed over the years -
> > plus some others work as well. As we travel near older sites then we
> > drop in and take some updated images and note progress:
> >
> > www.permaculture.biz/trees - Acacia mearnsii/dealbata forestry
> > management update/archive (before and after imagery updates
> > www.permaculture.biz/buildings
> > www.permaculture.biz/water
> >
> > We have added an interesting new section as well -
> > go to :
> > www.permaculture.biz/onlineprojects
> > with weekly updates of progress or as notable developments occur. We are
> > looking forward to developing this section as I believe transparent live
> > working design and system establishment information would be interesting
> > to a wide range of practitioners out there.
> >
> > Good Looking,
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Yours and Growing,
> >
> > Darren J. Doherty
> > Applied Diploma of Permaculture Design, (Education, Site Design, System
> > Establishment & Implementation) Permaculture Institute (1995)
> > Permaculture Design Certificate, Permaculture Institute (1993, 1995,
> > 2001)
> > Whole Farm Planning Certificate (Train the Trainer), University of
> > Melbourne (1995)
> > principal consultant permaculture.biz
> >
> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:29:04 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "Gaden@ziplip.com" <Gaden@ziplip.com>
> Subject: [permaculture] Humble Apologies
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
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> I humbly apologise to list readers. In my last post, I failed to prune off
the 'old posts' before sending it off. Consequently it is a lot longer than
it needs to be, wasting bandwidth and your time. I get cranky when others do
it. Then went and did it myself. Grrrr....
> I'm embarrassed and apologetic. Sorry, everyone.
>
> Gaiden
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:35:45 +1000
> From: Russ Grayson <pacedge@magna.com.au>
> Subject: [permaculture] Iraq report -NGO/ media
> To: Intl permaculture list <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> The following information is reported for NGO staff/ volunteers and
> media personnel planning to operate in Iraq...
>
> Sitrep 21.6.03:
>
> United Nations reported that humanitarian assistance vehicles were
> being fired upon, along with those of the US military.
>
> To the south around the Safwan area humanitarian agency vehicles
> already 'running the gauntlet' of 'stone and rock throwing' now report
> attacks by catapults and slingshots.
>
> A media crew was attacked and beaten up at a demonstration in Baghdad
> following a shooting of 2 demonstrators.
>
> The US reports that attacks on US soldiers are spiralling and that
> sabotage attacks against power and water installations are on the
> increase. Anti-coalition leadership are issuing guidance to begin
> attacks again in a few weeks. There is a general feeling of
> anti-American resistance. Multiple sources report continuous attacks
> in the immediate future.
>
> Convoys travelling the Baghdad / Jordan route, along with vehicles
> operating in the Felujah or Ramadi areas are still at 'high risk.'
> Daily reports are received of media vehicles being approached and
> targeted by 'rogue' vehicles intent on robbery and car jacking.
>
> If anything it would appear robbers / local armed gangs are becoming
> more aggressive and attacks becoming more frequent, even carrying out
> 'dummy' runs in the presence of US military vehicles!
>
> It has to be accepted though, the military are not concentrating any
> effort in this area. It has also been reported that in some instances -
> local drivers have been approached and asked to give details of
> impending potential 'target vehicles'. The reward on offer for
> soliciting such information is apparently $US1000.
>
> Intel: (source US Military)
> The timeframe for the reported high likely hood of an impending major
> attack against Coalition forces and/or Westerners within Baghdad has
> come and gone.m However, the threat has not disappeared. The potential
> for an attack on coalition bases or media/NGO occupied hotels such as
> the Palestine/Sheraton Hotels remains a constant danger.
>
> Additional security measures implemented at these establishments remain
> in place.
>
> Local Drivers
> It has recently been reported that local drivers have and in some cases
> still are, carrying weapons. After discussions with numerous local
> drivers in Baghdad, they have stated that a majority of drivers carry
> weapons and were before the war began, even more so now as the
> incidents on attacks are on the increase.
>
> Obviously it is down to the organisation employing the local drivers if
> they allow the drivers to carry weapons. Please be aware, even though
> this could be an initial deterrent for the driver and passengers
> against potential attacks, it can also increase the threat on your
> crews. (please refer to earlier brief ref armed advisors). Some
> agencies will not employ drivers who are carrying weapons as they
> realise the threat this could impose on their crews. Again, if the
> threat is that bad, decide whether it is safe enough for your crews to
> remain in country or bring them home.
>
> It is seriously considered that defensive measures should be taken for
> trips passing through or operating in the 'high risk' areas (mentioned
> earlier in this document). These measures as a minimum, should involve
> the use of 2 vehicles in a 'lead and backup' configuration. Each
> vehicle should be of rugged construction E.G. GMC or Landcruiser, and
> as a matter of caution, vehicles should be driven by a security
> advisor. This is to facilitate the use of 'evasive / defensive'
> driving techniques, which the advisors are trained to do.
>
> It is seriously considered now that the 'ante' has been raised by the
> gangsters. Attacks on the highways now appear to be better planned and
> executed. A distinctive pattern has been reported by at least 2
> sources. In a recent case where the above method was used but 'firing'
> did not take place, the intended 'target' vehicle was armoured and had
> tinted windows. It also had 'German' plates. It is believed that the
> robbers probably thought that the intended victims were armed, as in
> the case a week earlier when the four vehicle GSG9 convoy, (similar
> vehicles - German plates) were involved.
>
> ...sitrep ends.
>
> ........................................................................
> ..................................
> Russ Grayson
> Media services: journalism-print/ online/ photo
> pacedge@magna.com.au Phone/ fax: 02 9588 6931
> PO Box 446 Kogarah NSW 2217 Australia
> ........................................................................
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