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  • From: "Rex L. Williams, Jr." <rexwilliams.03 AT gmail.com>
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  • Subject: Re: [ocba] Powered Sugar Q's
  • Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 11:56:44 -0400

He did say 20 grams. Also, regarding the strict comparison of 20g sugar to
20g chemical, it strikes me that this is not a very good 1:1 comparison.

Also, I don't believe he said it wasn't effective, just that it was no more
effective than the new chemical they were testing and less effective than
the current product on the market, though I don't recall what the benchmark
chemical was. He did acknowledge that there was no untreated control, so
it would be a stretch to claim that sugar shakes weren't effective at all.
If resources allow, I think one should really be doing a dosage or treatment
gradient and comparing to an untreated control. Has anyone tried track this
information with sugar alone?

Rex

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Today's Topics:

1. Top Bar Hive Challenge update (Marty Hanks)
2. Powered Sugar Q's (Marty Hanks)
3. Powered Sugar FIX to Q's (Marty Hanks)
4. Re: Powered Sugar Q's (Dick Merritt)
5. Re: Powered Sugar Q's (Marty Hanks)
6. Re: Powered Sugar Q's (Elisabeth Curtis)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 21:19:06 -0500
From: Marty Hanks <marty AT justbeenc.com>
Subject: [ocba] Top Bar Hive Challenge update
To: Orange County Bees <ocba AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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Hello all,

I just wanted to let folks know that Chuck Cunningham GAVE me a video camera
to lend anyone wanting to film themselves or a friend for the TBH Challenge.
So its available if you need it.

Chuck THANKS again for that great gift to a cool idea. I personally have
been a bit busy to start mine, but plan to do so soon. I have a video camera
so this one is available.

Cheers,
Marty Hanks
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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 09:23:26 -0400
From: Marty Hanks <marty AT justbeenc.com>
Subject: [ocba] Powered Sugar Q's
To: Orange County Bees <ocba AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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morning,

i need some help from those who went to the thursday night OCBA meeting.

During the presentation Dick spoke about how,* in his research*, sugar shake
treatments are not effective. After some prodding and multiple questions I
"think" i heard him say he did 2 treatments 2 weeks apart. My biggest
question is did i hear him wrong when he said he only used 20 oz??

I thought he said he used that amount because it was equal to the content of
the other two treatments(chemicals). Did i miss anything or was that the
amount he said he used??

If so here is a quick reference chart....and it should be noted that 20oz of
a concentrated chemical is WAY more potent than 20 oz of powered sugar by
volume.

WEIGHT)

1 ounce = 28.35 grams
1 pound = 453.59 grams
1 pound = 0.454 kg



That would mean he used less than 1 ounce of powered sugar per treatment.
Can those there at the meeting help me because i must have misunderstood
him. please help!

Thanks!

marty
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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 09:30:29 -0400
From: Marty Hanks <marty AT justbeenc.com>
Subject: [ocba] Powered Sugar FIX to Q's
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Hey again,

sorry i meant to say/ask...*was it 20 GRAMS* he said he used???

tks!!
mh
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 09:32:47 -0400
From: Dick Merritt <dickmerritt AT mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [ocba] Powered Sugar Q's
To: Marty Hanks <marty AT justbeenc.com>
Cc: Orange County Bees <ocba AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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20 oz is 1.25 pounds of sugar (or anything else). That is more than half of
a small (2 lb) bag of confectioner's sugar. That is a respectable bunch of
sugar for one application.

Dick

On 3/11/2012 9:23 AM, Marty Hanks wrote:
> morning,
> i need some help from those who went to the thursday night OCBA meeting.
> During the presentation Dick spoke about how,_in his research_, sugar
> shake treatments are not effective. After some prodding and multiple
> questions I "think" i heard him say he did 2 treatments 2 weeks apart.
> My biggest question is did i hear him wrong when he said he only used
> 20 oz??
> I thought he said he used that amount because it was equal to the
> content of the other two treatments(chemicals). Did i miss anything or
> was that the amount he said he used??
> If so here is a quick reference chart....and it should be noted that
> 20oz of a concentrated chemical is WAY more potent than 20 oz of
> powered sugar by volume.
> WEIGHT)
>
> 1 ounce = 28.35 grams
> 1 pound = 453.59 grams
> 1 pound = 0.454 kg
>
> That would mean he used less than 1 ounce of powered sugar per
> treatment. Can those there at the meeting help me because i must have
> misunderstood him. please help!
>
> Thanks!
>
> marty
>
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 09:40:06 -0400
From: Marty Hanks <marty AT justbeenc.com>
Subject: Re: [ocba] Powered Sugar Q's
To: Dick Merritt <dickmerritt AT mindspring.com>, Orange County Bees
<ocba AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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thanks Dick...i had actually meant to say 20 grams. i really do think he
said 20 grams...was I wrong?
mh

On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Dick Merritt
<dickmerritt AT mindspring.com>wrote:

> 20 oz is 1.25 pounds of sugar (or anything else). That is more than
> half of a small (2 lb) bag of confectioner's sugar. That is a
> respectable bunch of sugar for one application.
>
> Dick
>
>
> On 3/11/2012 9:23 AM, Marty Hanks wrote:
>
> morning,
>
> i need some help from those who went to the thursday night OCBA meeting.
>
> During the presentation Dick spoke about how,* in his research*, sugar
> shake treatments are not effective. After some prodding and multiple
> questions I "think" i heard him say he did 2 treatments 2 weeks apart.
> My biggest question is did i hear him wrong when he said he only used 20
oz??
>
> I thought he said he used that amount because it was equal to the
> content of the other two treatments(chemicals). Did i miss anything or
> was that the amount he said he used??
>
> If so here is a quick reference chart....and it should be noted that
> 20oz of a concentrated chemical is WAY more potent than 20 oz of
> powered sugar by volume.
>
> WEIGHT)
>
> 1 ounce = 28.35 grams
> 1 pound = 453.59 grams
> 1 pound = 0.454 kg
>
>
>
> That would mean he used less than 1 ounce of powered sugar per treatment.
> Can those there at the meeting help me because i must have
> misunderstood him. please help!
>
> Thanks!
>
> marty
>
>
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--
Marty Hanks
Just Bee, Apiaries

Home of the Orange County Honey Project.
"Created by Artisans....Bottled by Humans"
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 09:50:52 -0400
From: Elisabeth Curtis <granda.curtis AT gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ocba] Powered Sugar Q's
To: Marty Hanks <marty AT justbeenc.com>
Cc: Orange County Bees <ocba AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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I think he said 20 grams. I have no idea how much that is. I have used about
one cup per deep hive body and do it once a week at the beginning, tapering
off to once every two weeks if it seems appropriate (and as it gets hotter
and I get more bored with it). It seems to help.

On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Marty Hanks <marty AT justbeenc.com> wrote:

> thanks Dick...i had actually meant to say 20 grams. i really do think
> he said 20 grams...was I wrong?
> mh
>
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Dick Merritt
<dickmerritt AT mindspring.com>wrote:
>
>> 20 oz is 1.25 pounds of sugar (or anything else). That is more than
>> half of a small (2 lb) bag of confectioner's sugar. That is a
>> respectable bunch of sugar for one application.
>>
>> Dick
>>
>>
>> On 3/11/2012 9:23 AM, Marty Hanks wrote:
>>
>> morning,
>>
>> i need some help from those who went to the thursday night OCBA meeting.
>>
>> During the presentation Dick spoke about how,* in his research*,
>> sugar shake treatments are not effective. After some prodding and
>> multiple questions I "think" i heard him say he did 2 treatments 2
>> weeks apart. My biggest question is did i hear him wrong when he said he
only used 20 oz??
>>
>> I thought he said he used that amount because it was equal to the
>> content of the other two treatments(chemicals). Did i miss anything
>> or was that the amount he said he used??
>>
>> If so here is a quick reference chart....and it should be noted that
>> 20oz of a concentrated chemical is WAY more potent than 20 oz of
>> powered sugar by volume.
>>
>> WEIGHT)
>>
>> 1 ounce = 28.35 grams
>> 1 pound = 453.59 grams
>> 1 pound = 0.454 kg
>>
>>
>>
>> That would mean he used less than 1 ounce of powered sugar per treatment.
>> Can those there at the meeting help me because i must have
>> misunderstood him. please help!
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> marty
>>
>>
>> _________________________________________
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>>
>
>
> --
> Marty Hanks
> Just Bee, Apiaries
>
> Home of the Orange County Honey Project.
> "Created by Artisans....Bottled by Humans"
>
>
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Elisabeth
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