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  • From: "Robert C. Mullins" <mullins@gaelicmysts.com>
  • To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Himalayan blackberry - Why it is called Himalayan.
  • Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 10:33:20 -0500

I know this topic has been pretty much beaten to death, but I have a few questions.

1. Do they taste good (himalayan) ? I know, I know, but I am a bit of a pragmatist. I don't grow unless I can eat em', and enjoy eatin' em'.

2. I have a couple of acres of useless (unused) pasture. Can I just toss a few (himalayan) out there and neglect them and still be eating great blackberries in June or whatever.
3. I am currently growing out some Arapaho thornless and Apache thornless varieties. I dont know how they will taste but I'm giving it a shot. Anybody have any thoughts on these two varieties?

4. I also have some 'wild' blackberries growing out in the pasture. With regard to wild blackberries, how would I determine what kind they are. If they are truly wild or if they were brought here by early settlers, etc, etc.



Dr. Chiranjit Parmar wrote:
Thanks for the hardwork for research. The information is really interesting.

Dr. Chiranjit Parmar
www.fruitipedia.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Dossett" <phainopepla@yahoo.com>
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Himalayan blackberry - Why it is called Himalayan.


I intimated a little bit about this the other day in
my post....

>From Jennings. 1988. Raspberries and Blackberries,
their diseases breeding and growth:

Rubus procerus [aremeniacus] is native to northern
Iran, from where it has spread across southern Europe
to France. Its occurrence in Britain and other parts
is almost certainly due to escape from gardens, and
though Watson (1958) noted that it was identical with
R. thyrsoides, which was collected at Holyhead in 1895
and in Cornwall in 1904, he considered that it was
most unlikely to be native to Britain. It is said to
have been a troublesome weed in New Zealand since
before 1895. Luther Burbank introduced a cultivar of
it to America in 1885 under the name "Himalaya Giant",
believing that it was derived from seed obtained from
Asian mountains. This name is now used almost
exclusively for all cultivated forms, though they are
probably all derived from the stock that Theodor
Reimers of Hamburg introduced into Germany about
1889...

It goes on a little further to talk about the
weediness, range in North America, range of variation
(which is surprising considering it is an apomictic
species) and it's fruit quality. So there you have
it. In my opinion Burbank's assumption as to the
plant's origin wasn't a terrible one. China and Asia
appear to be the main center of Rubus diversity in the
world.

Michael




--- Douglas Woodard <dwoodard@becon.org> wrote:

Full name "Himalayan Giant" also used in U.K. for
many years.

As to "why": many nurserymen will use any name that
sells sometimes
regardless of what the plant is. There is and has
long been a very wide
range of ethical standards in the business. Maybe it
was thought to have
associations of bigness of fruit because of the size
of the Himalayan
mountains.

I think we might have to wait on some scholar who
has access to old
catalogues and horticultural literature to do
literature research.

Doug Woodard
St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada


Dr. Chiranjit Parmar wrote:
Dear all,

I saw all my books/floras on Himalayan plants. I
did not find it listed
anywhere. So I do not think that it is plant from
Himalayan region,
even from India.

Why it has been named as Himalayan blackberry in
USA.
Dr. Chiranjit Parmar
www.fruitipedia.com <http://www.fruitipedia.com>
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