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  • From: "David leadbetter" <dleadbetter1@aapt.net.au>
  • To: "Mounted search and rescue" <msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: [MSAR] not really relevant either re hoax,joke?
  • Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 18:18:00 +0800

Hi all,
On Sunday night half the horse people in WA [AUST] received at least one e-mail,3 for me regarding a an outbreak of strangles ,resulting in 6 dead horses and 30 confirmed cases in our northern suburbs.This supposedly came from the Equestrian Federation of WA.
I cannot say I was suspicious at that stage but I did wonder about 6 dead...must Hve been real old or foals.
A few friends and SAR colleagues rang me etc to see if I could find out what was going on....I dont work so obviously have the time!!!
The paper also had a 1/4 page article on monday morning.
I contacted the Agricultural Dept ,strangles is not a notifiable disease ,but they knew nothing about it and were investigating.
By 1100 they got back to me and said there was no outbreak of strangles.A couple of recent horse deaths in Wanneroo were not related to strangles.EFA did not release a warning etc.
So it was a load of c--p.Our local feed store and vet sold out of strangles vaccine on Monday,so people did take the matter very seriously.
By Monday night the matter was clarified for everyone...who has the internet.
The question is who and why, was it just some moron having a bit of a joke ,or was it a case of chinese whispers,like the old army joke
 
message to HQ        send reinforcement.We are going to advance.
message received as    send 50c. we are going to a dance
 
cheers
 
Linda L
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [MSAR] Emaciated horses in Illinois...

NetPosse.com - Found Aged Mare in IN - Aug 2010

   
 
 
 
 
 
Here is the photo of the emaciated horse that should have had a link posted with the NetPosse.com transmission that I received about the black paso fino gelding that was spooked and lost fully tacked as per my post below..  Those receiving this message off list on a BCC will be able to veiw the photo of this poor animal.. if not, let me know and I will send it as an attachment.
Had you gone to the link of my post you would have seen just the information about the black paso gelding.  Regretably, Netposse did not put a link to the skinny horse, just posted a photo with the information I put in my post below and so I took a liberty to copy the photo and send it to you.  If you did not get a BCC of this animal and would like it, email me.
Also had you gone to the link below and read it, you may have discovered what else this has to do with MSAR and regarding my post below.  Guess some of the information is not in either of Pennbos or Marks territory, but that is irrelevant to perhaps others on this list and that is why it has been posted here on MSAR.
My points of veiw were to bring attention to situations that occur and while most of us on this list are mature enough to know that these things do happen, some have no clue.
As for the beautiful black paso gelding and how and where it was lost,  it was lost in Georgia on a trail ride incident. An incident that could happen to ANYONE at anytime and need I say more. The animal got away from its rider and was fully tacked and took of to the woodland there.
Read the posts in their entirety and perhaps you will then understand why they are here.  Some of us get around and go out of state. Its in the DETAILS.
     Karen Nesbitt  - VMSAR - Iroquois County - Illinois
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Today's Topics:

   1. Emaciated Horses in Illinois.. (Karen Nesbitt)
   2. Re: Emaciated Horses in Illinois... (pennbo@verizon.net)
   3. Re: Emaciated Horses in Illinois... (Mark Thompson)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:47:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Karen Nesbitt <spanishequines@yahoo.com>
To: "Mounted search and rescue in Illinois USA."
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Subject: [MSAR] Emaciated Horses in Illinois...
Message-ID: <680104.22669.qm@web36404.mail.mud.yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:680104.22669.qm@web36404.mail.mud.yahoo.com">680104.22669.qm@web36404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>From Net Posse:
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Emaciated Horse found...
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Equine breed: Unknown
Equine Color: Sorrel / Chestnut
Equine Gender: Mare
Equine Height Measure: 14.3 - 15 hands
Equine Weight Measure: 500 pounds (very underweight)
Equine Age Measures: aged (possibly 30)
Agency Name: Hamilton County Sheriff's Office
Agency Main Phone: 317-776-4110
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YOU CAN HELP: Contact the Sheriff's office if you have any information regarding this mare or if you witnessed her being turned loose.

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FOR MORE DETAILS AND PHOTO...
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http://www.netposse.com/stolenmissing/SecretoGAmissingAug2010.html
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A Paso Fino gelding was also spooked and lost with a saddle and should be on that same thread.
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Been witnessing some owners with way too many and way too thin horses in Illinois, Indiana??and elsewhere??lately too.? Its discusting.
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People have too many, are hardly around or when they are, they still have too much to handle,? or are just plain?too lacking in knowledge to handle their problems or some dont even know what a TOO THIN horse looks like.? They breed horses like rabbits unmindful of the downed markets, have more stallions, no less more mares?than they need or can care for or their alleged??market bears, they?forget how long and how much time it takes to care for and to get a foal grown to be a horse under saddle and have barn fulls of horses that are not worked and idle and that they cannot sell or feed properly.?They are unmindful how long a well cared for animal will live and when they find themselves unable to manage them, the rest of the herd gets thin, abused and neglected?and owners literally are trying to starve? them or feed them so they colic and die.?And some of these places have been malkept for many years and the humane societies have been there
numerous times getting no where.???Horses can live well into their late 30's and older if well taken care of.? Ponies live much longer.
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Old horses do not have to be thin.? Horses get thin from not being wormed, neglect, cribbing,?improper diets, bad teeth?and a mirrade of other issues, but mostly, owners that do not know how to feed properly.?There are injured animals, animals so full of burrs in manes and tails, they never get brushed and so forth.? People put too many horses on a property it cannot support, they dont know how to take care of the land to support the animals its fit for and are too lazy to take care of them when they get overboard and HORD.? Places are falling down, fencing is poor from animal traffic, pasture is pathetic, manure never gets cleaned up, places are vermine ridden, bug infested?and?the list goes on.? Places are unfit for a dog.? Lately its been hot and owners are too lazy to get out and do their jobs with their animals.? Or they will skim on total care.
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As a society, we have problems, and one of them is fast becoming that the humane societies are full.. they cannot take them all and that is why some remain with owners that do not or will not take care of them and the animals suffer more.. its a real shame and gets pretty?sad when the?Humane Society cannot even follow up reports.? Some peolple just do not get it.? And the abuse still goes on.? Some animals are caught up in domestic violence situations too.? And another sad part, is some of these people get their jollies on abusing the animals and abusing people too.
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The people that turned that poor mare?loose in Indiana should be put in jail in my opinion.
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Another humane issue, it gets pretty pathetic when a bunch of folks go to a sale barn hoping to sell and nothing is moving.?So many barns these days are literally pony mills.? People need to wise up, pull the reins in on breeding and take better care of stock they have.? Perhaps too , some need to give up a show or two and stay home to take care of what they got.? I see barns with one or two horses that they show and are halfway cared for??and then the rest that they own they have10-20 others that are pathetically neglected.
While they go to shows, their barns fall apart and the animals at home remain totally??neglected.
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Race horse breeds like the thoroubred and AQHA, Paint, Arab and?others
? chronically perpetuate flooding the gambling?sport??markets?with horses that end up being rescues off the track or arena, or pen??because racing and other events?allows for running stock too young and unfit for the sport, horses are abused?in the cutting arena, show arena and the list goes on.??? For just about every one good racehorse, or show horse, there are probably 50 to 100 or more others that are worthless on the?turf, arena or ranch?and not enough owners to acquire them.When a guy comes up? and says he has a $50,000 horse and the rest of the herd and the place looks like crap, its a helluva a bad sales pitch?to dig for dollars and beleive that line of bull in a bear market.? Prices like that tell me the guy does not want to sell anything when the stable looks like dung and he cant take care of a horse that valuable to start with yet alone with a barn full of others.

The saddest part of this is that when some person does have a horse that has been a companion for a really long time and the owner wants and really deserves to keep?the horse and has no means.? They have owned the animal for a long time and are up in years themselves and their kids cant take them either. Those people dont deserve their animals taken away, they need help and there is no links card for these horsemen for their horses on welfare.
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What is sadder yet is that some of the rescue barns are on hard times and cant feed them either.
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Anyone buying horses these days better do some good homework before they end up in the same mess some of these other owners are.? Boarding? is not cheap, insurance is not cheap and feeding them is not cheap and it is a lot easier to buy than sell? Thats a fact of life in the horse industry and has been for as long as there has been prices on horses.? And have your priorities straight.? Owning a horse gives you a lot less riding time than renting.? If you work, you best ask yourself??just how much time can you devote to one horse, yet alone a barn full of 10-20 or 30?? Your barn is your home for your horse and it requires a lot of care too.?? And if you board, if the stable closes, where will?that leave you?
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The bottomline is if you cannot afford to keep their home in upkeep, then, dont breed or buy them.? Falling on hard times is one thing, but being downright stupid is another.?
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??????? Karen Nesbitt - VMSAR - Iroqouis County - Illinois


     
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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 06:50:31 -0500
From: "Mark Thompson" <mthompson@vissering.com>
To: "Mounted search and rescue" <msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [MSAR] Emaciated Horses in Illinois...
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My thoughts also Chris.

Mark

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-----Original Message-----
From: pennbo@verizon.net <pennbo@verizon.net>
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:59 PM
To: msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org <msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [MSAR] Emaciated Horses in Illinois...


Maybe I'm missing the point but what does this have to do with MSAR? Much of what you say is truth but the question is not what's wrong but what are we each doing to fix it? Still, I really don't think this is the right forum for this discussion.

Chris




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