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  • From: "David leadbetter" <dleadbetter1@aapt.net.au>
  • To: "Mounted search and rescue" <msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [MSAR] Hasty Teams
  • Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:34:24 +0800

SES use 'hasty teams but we call them fast response teams.Very useful for clearing tracks perimeters etc,quad bikes would usually be doing the same thing.
 
Linda L
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Subject: [MSAR] Hasty Teams 5mph? And at what gait, etc?


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Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 02:01:57 EDT
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We did a 10 mile endurance qualification ride today. We went out in 3 team,
slow, gaited fast, and holy cow watch out for those girls fast. Our
requirements  are 10 miles in 2.5 hours. Not hard for the slow group even. But I
wanted to see  if my fast group could cover it in an hour an a half so that
we could tell our  call out people that we have horses that can cover that
area in a fraction of  the time as long as we are just checking trails, ya
know a hasty team.

Please be assured that we didn't do anything I would deem unsafe, the lead 
horse (mine) is great at changing gaits quickly and dependably. It went 
something like trot, trot, trot, canter, "Rocks" walk, trot, trot, gallop,
"mud"  trot, etc....

It was great to know that I have a group that can make it in 1 hour and 20 
mins, we could cut it down to 1 hour I think, we had 3, 5 minute pauses for
various reasons.

Anyone else have hasty teams in place? How are they received in your  area?

Ann Taylor
Clark County Mounted Search and Rescue
Vancouver, WA
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Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 07:56:27 -0400
From: "T'mi Fi" <tfinkle@erols.com>
Subject: Re: [MSAR] Hasty Mounted Team?
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Good job on you training ride!  Your exercise sounds like a great way
for validating a horse and rider's endurance level.  We have hasty teams
too, but for our team we identified the need to find the right balance
of performance with thoroughness when conducting a Hasty Search.   I am
sure most folks will agree that in a SAR operation we need to find the
victim as quickly as possible. A thorough search has a higher
Probability of Detection (POD), but takes longer (assuming you're
looking for a live victim this time can mean the difference between a
rescue and a recovery).  A Hasty Search is light and fast- we send out a
smaller team to scour the area for obvious clues (NASAR training has
taught our team members to look for clues not people).

Studies have shown at speeds above 5 mph the effects of tunnel vision
occurs, which generally means clues just off the trail begin to get
missed.
 
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Great job on the ride!  Just curious, at 5 mph you are traveling at a slow trot.  I would think as you said tunnel vision would be a liability between ducking and dodging trees or having to watch terrain too.  Here is where a smooth gaited horse would come in handy because there is no trot.  You are more able to concentrate on both sides of the trail and ahead without the concentration of posting as well and it takes less physical activity to ride a smooth gaited horse vs any trotter.  Performance pasos can move out at speeds well over 5 MPH peaking at speeds in their gait at close to thirty (30) MPH and their endurance goes without saying.  I am not sure what the walkers and racking horses speeds are, but I am sure they are comparable.
 
Just curious, is 5MPH the recommended speed or is a hasty team required to move on out faster if that is possible?  How is the speed determined by the leader?  The leader would seemingly be scouting more the terrain for the riders to follow, thus the calling out of speed and turf.  While I can see no distarctions to the leader as he/she negotiates the terrain and such calling back to the riders following, I can see the following riders a tad beign distracted in the change of pace or turf call as it happens.  Their anticipation of the call would take some attention away to their searching. 
 
Having done endurance, depending on the trail your average speeds can run up to 7 mph and maybe more.  Familiarity of the trail has a great deal to do with it and of course the element of competition.  As there is no competition on a hasty team, then I guess my question would be, is the speed typically about 5mph or  is the pace quicker?  What is the speed even at a gallop/canter or any gait used if it is  a breed other than a trotter?  What difference would it make to the team if a person is ridig at a gallop or a gait or a trot if the speed was maintained?  Is that also a distraction to the other riders?
 
Just wanting input here!  Thank!
 
Karen


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