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  • From: Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
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  • Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 08:31:48 -0700 (PDT)

Ha, yes I noticed the bees in the pumpkin flowers... sometimes 10 bees at
time crowding in, and just to make sure things get pollinated, I've been
swabbing the females.
 
OK, so don't save the seeds from the giant spaghetti for next year.  Hmm,
Maybe it crossed with something from whichever farm it came from.  I'm
looking forward to seeing if it turns out to be a spaghetti or something else
altogether.  I'm sure it will be edible if it turns out that it isn't a
spaghetti.
 
I'll have to look up the seed packet from the giant pumpkins to see if it is
a pepo.  I know when I planted the spaghetti and the small pumpkins that I
thought I planted they wouldn't cross (actually that is why these are planted
in the driveway area, because they would cross with stuff in the other
gardens.  But who knows if the giant ones are pepo.
 
 
 
I know everyone here pretty much has been gardening for a while, and I hope
everyone remembers the thrills from the first year.  I feel like a kid
sometimes out there...
 
"Oh, look here is another one, Oh and another one."  (cucumbers.........and
all the melons)
 
and,
 
"Oh no, not another 3 more growing!"  (picked one watermelon,,,, and 3 new
babies sprout in their place....)
 
and,
 
"OMG, I need more eggplant recipes"... (pick 2, 4 more grow, pick 4, 8 more
grow..... off of one (japanese) plant.....)
 
 
The green beans went thru a resting period during the hot weather it seems,
and have put out new growth and are flowering and beaning again... :-)
 
The beans I grew for black turtle, white & pinto......... the plants are in
sorry shape this week.  I've been picking dried pods and shelling beans all
week.  The plants are dropping a lot of dead leaves, which makes it easier to
find all the beans.  But still, I hope they also put out new growth and
flower/bean up again.
 
Somehow I had this "idea" that the plant would grow, put out whatever fruit
or veggie, and that I would just go thru and pick once and be done with
it....................  and it is turning out that everytime I pick, more
grow. 
 
We have  in some ways a really long growing season (even though allegedly it
is really 4 short ones).... and here I had the idea of taking a
vacation........ in late summer or early fall.  If this keeps up it isn't
happening.
 
--- On Sat, 8/1/09, Clansgian AT wmconnect.com <Clansgian AT wmconnect.com> wrote:





> >> >I sure hope there is no way that the bees can cross the monster
> pumpkin
> >> pollen with the spaghetti squash and turn the spaghetti squash into
> monster
> >> sized squash............
>
> >Alas, there is a way, although it is not likely.

That is, the NEXT generation if you plant the seeds.  Cross pollination
won't affect this year's squashes.
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Ugghhh, dealing with too much rain must be a real pain !  I suppose it isn't
possible to dig some trenches to drain the water away to a different lower
area is it?
 
 
I still don't think I have a green thumb.  I'm convinced this year is
beginners luck and  I wonder if it is just the sandy soil here and that with
next to no rain and lots of sun, that I can control the water.
 
I read about growing melons that way up on trellises and I'm tempted to try
something similar to that next year.  The rabbits eat any fruit that get
outside of the fenced in area, and the squirrels have dug tunnels under and
help themselves.  And I'd like to expand the garden areas over the winter.  
 
What did you make your hammocks out of?
 
 
What kind of hubbards?  I haven't been able to learn how big the blue
hubbards get, or when to harvest.
 
 
The worst is dealing with all that rain.  I remember in Florida how
devastating the rains in the winter could be to the farmers.  In S. FL they
plant over the winter when it normally doesn't rain much, and then they
irrigate.  Summer there is probably too much rain, or maybe it is too many
bugs.
 
Will the potatoes rot with too much water?  I was wondering about that
earlier this year, when I accidently left the irrigation line turned on for a
whole day.  The garden was flooded in that area.  I did find a few partially
rotted ones and wondered if that could have been the cause, even though the
water disappears fairly quickly even after too much water.  How tall are your
potato plants?
 
Celery likes a lot of water?  Maybe that is why mine died........... :-)
 
I watered my onions daily, but daily the top 2" dries out.  They did well,
even though I was a bit concerned that they might rot.  They're all harvested
now.
 
My garlic was fairly small, but tastes great.  If yours are big maybe I need
to water more.
 
 
The lawn, something I have to mow today, as my mom insists on having a lawn
in the desert, which to me is a huge waste of water and fuel.  I used to have
to mow 8 hours a week in FL, and when I left FL I swore I'd never mow a lawn
again... 
 
My mom & dad mowed the lawn last summer, my mom used a push mower, my dad a
riding.  This year they have both deteriorated so much it is unbelievable. 
My mom went from going to the gym w/me last year to having to use a walker
and barely being able to lift full pots in the kitchen.  Dad has been fairly
crippled up for years, but has gotten much worse.  My brother is useless for
the most part.  Last week a haboob came thru (its like a desert mud storm,
high wind flying wet dust) and knocked down the biggest sunflower (about
12'), it broke off at ground level.  I asked him to help me get it out of the
garden.  He decided he could fix it by planting it.  He couldn't understand
that without roots it would die.  I attempted to explain it to him, but he
planted the stalk, which of course didn't work.
 
What are you planning on doing with all the tomatoes?
 
 

--- On Sat, 8/1/09, Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> wrote:




Leslie; it sounds like you have a green thumb for curcubits!

I have a lot of melons in the greenhouse, climbing into the rafters, with
the melons hanging in little hammocks so they don't pull the vines down. My
squash are finally setting fruit, but it's less than 2 months till our first
frost. The Baby Hubbards will ripen by then, and there are a lot of them,
but I don't know if the larger squash will develop in time.

My peppers and eggplant gave up waiting for warm weather (it's still not
here; we rarely get out of the 70's), but everything else is doing amazingly
well, considering the cool weather, little sun, and lots of rain. I can't go
out without boots...no gardening in sneakers this year. I have standing
water everywhere because the ground is saturated and won't absorb any more.
The raised beds are still draining well, but the paths have a couple inches
of water.

Everything seems to be taking longer than usual, with the lack of sun, but
looks good. Potatoes are still blooming (the plants are the biggest I've
ever seen), and won't be ready to dig for probably a month. I'm growing
celery for the first time, and it LOVES this weather. Even the onions and
leeks are doing well (I didn't think they liked so much wet). The Big Beef
tomatoes are starting to ripen, with the Abe Lincolns right behind. The
tomato plants are huge and heavy, and starting to pull the stakes over; I
can't tie them up as fast as they are growing. The Rose and Mortgage Lifter
tomatoes are just setting fruit. Today I will  harvest my garlic from the
mud (not the way it's supposed to be done...garlic is suposed to be dry
toward the end, but even with all the rain, it looks good).

The ground is so squishy, and it rains at least every other day, so I
haven't mowed the lawn in a couple of weeks. It looks like a jungle.

Lynn Wigglesworth
Tioga Co. PA
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I bought a spaghetti squash for the first time earlier this year, dried a
few seeds, and planted one seed just to see if it would grow.

Grow it has. The one plant is now over 7 foot wide (I actually took a
measuring tape out this morning) and just over knee high and seems to be
expanding by the minute.... only slightly exaggerating... :-)

The thing that gets me is the first squash growing (of 5 so far) is starting
to look like a monster. It is just over 10" long and 6" (yes 6") wide !!! It
is green with some lighter green speckles.

The one I got in the grocery store (from which the seed came from) was
yellow (and I assume the ripe color), and was only about 7" long and maybe
4" wide.

This spaghetti plant was planted about 12 feet away from the monster
pumpkins and now they have grown into each other.

I sure hope there is no way that the bees can cross the monster pumpkin
pollen with the spaghetti squash and turn the spaghetti squash into monster
sized squash............


I planted this 1 squash, 3 pumpkins and 2 watermelon plants in the middle of
a driveway circle, not expecting them to grow that much, or even do well
since I didn't till the soil very deep and the sand underneath is very hard.
I keep having to turn the vines so they don't grow over the driveway. It is
a good thing the rabbits and ground squirrels ate the popcorn shoots and
sweet potato slips, because they would be overrun at this point by the
pumpkins.


Curcubits sure seem easy to grow here.......... but it is getting to the
point (almost) that every time I see a new baby watermelon, jenny lind melon
or honey dew I cringe... J/K, as it looks like I can freeze lots of that.

I harvested the first jenny lind the other day, much to my surprise it is
green fleshed inside.... but ooooh so good, and as juicy as the watermelon.
I haven't figured out when to harvest the honey dew, so I just took a chance
and picked a big one, and it was about 90% ripe, and also very juicy but
firm also.


I can't wait to see how big the spaghetti squash gets. I wish the hubbards
were producing better. 5 plants, and only 2 squash.





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Ha!!!    Maybe that is why hollywood it putting out the latest rash of
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Many people call Obama a socialist or a communist....... so what do the
Russians think about him?     
 
They say:  "The final collapse has come with the election of Barack Obama. " 
and ends with "The proud American will go down .............. The world will
only snicker."
 
Check out the english version of Pravda....... if the copied text doesn't
come thru.
 
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/107459-1/
 
American capitalism gone with a whimper
 
It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American decent
into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of
a passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people.
























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True, the situation has been well prepared on and off for the past century,
especially the past twenty years. The initial testing grounds was conducted
upon our Holy Russia and a bloody test it was. But we Russians would not just
roll over and give up our freedoms and our souls, no matter how much money
Wall Street poured into the fists of the Marxists.
 
Those lessons were taken and used to properly prepare the American populace
for the surrender of their freedoms and souls, to the whims of their elites
and betters.
 
First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard
education system based on pop culture, rather then the classics. Americans
know more about their favorite TV dramas then the drama in DC that directly
affects their lives. They care more for their "right" to choke down a
McDonalds burger or a BurgerKing burger than for their constitutional rights.
Then they turn around and lecture us about our rights and about our
"democracy". Pride blind the foolish.
 
Then their faith in God was destroyed, until their churches, all tens of
thousands of different "branches and denominations" were for the most part
little more then Sunday circuses and their televangelists and top protestant
mega preachers were more then happy to sell out their souls and flocks to be
on the "winning" side of one pseudo Marxist politician or another. Their
flocks may complain, but when explained that they would be on the "winning"
side, their flocks were ever so quick to reject Christ in hopes for earthly
power. Even our Holy Orthodox churches are scandalously liberalized in
America.
 
The final collapse has come with the election of Barack Obama. His speed in
the past three months has been truly impressive. His spending and money
printing has been a record setting, not just in America's short history but
in the world. If this keeps up for more then another year, and there is no
sign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Wiemar Republic and
at worst Zimbabwe.
 
These past two weeks have been the most breath taking of all. First came the
announcement of a planned redesign of the American Byzantine tax system, by
the very thieves who used it to bankroll their thefts, loses and swindles of
hundreds of billions of dollars. These make our Russian oligarchs look little
more then ordinary street thugs, in comparison. Yes, the Americans have beat
our own thieves in the shear volumes. Should we congratulate them?
 
These men, of course, are not an elected panel but made up of appointees
picked from the very financial oligarchs and their henchmen who are now
gorging themselves on trillions of American dollars, in one bailout after
another. They are also usurping the rights, duties and powers of the American
congress (parliament). Again, congress has put up little more then a whimper
to their masters.
























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Then came Barack Obama's command that GM's (General Motor) president step
down from leadership of his company. That is correct, dear reader, in the
land of "pure" free markets, the American president now has the power, the
self given power, to fire CEOs and we can assume other employees of private
companies, at will. Come hither, go dither, the centurion commands his
minions.
 
So it should be no surprise, that the American president has followed this up
with a "bold" move of declaring that he and another group of unelected,
chosen stooges will now redesign the entire automotive industry and will even
be the guarantee of automobile policies. I am sure that if given the chance,
they would happily try and redesign it for the whole of the world, too. Prime
Minister Putin, less then two months ago, warned Obama and UK's Blair, not to
follow the path to Marxism, it only leads to disaster. Apparently, even
though we suffered 70 years of this Western sponsored horror show, we know
nothing, as foolish, drunken Russians, so let our "wise" Anglo-Saxon fools
find out the folly of their own pride.
 
Again, the American public has taken this with barely a whimper...but a
"freeman" whimper.
 
So, should it be any surprise to discover that the Democratically controlled
Congress of America is working on passing a new regulation that would give
the American Treasury department the power to set "fair" maximum salaries,
evaluate performance and control how private companies give out pay raises
and bonuses?
 
Senator Barney Franks, a social pervert basking in his homosexuality (of
course, amongst the modern, enlightened American societal norm, as well as
that of the general West, homosexuality is not only not a looked down upon
life choice, but is often praised as a virtue) and his Marxist enlightenment,
has led this effort. He stresses that this only affects companies that
receive government monies, but it is retroactive and taken to a logical
extreme, this would include any company or industry that has ever received a
tax break or incentive.
 
The Russian owners of American companies and industries should look
thoughtfully at this and the option of closing their facilities down and
fleeing the land of the Red as fast as possible. In other words, divest while
there is still value left.
 
The proud American will go down into his slavery with out a fight, beating
his chest and proclaiming to the world, how free he really is. The world will
only snicker.
 
Stanislav Mishin
 
 
 
 

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I very much want Obama to be fully successful in his Obamism without the
baggage of nut cases in his own party and without being much watered down by
the opposition.  Then we will have a clear case of results to judge.

Dum spiro, specto.

James




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From: "Leslie" <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
>I read about growing melons that way up on trellises and I'm tempted to try
>something similar to that next year. The rabbits eat any fruit that get
>outside of the fenced in area, and the squirrels have dug tunnels under and
>help themselves. And I'd like to expand the garden areas over the winter.

>What did you make your hammocks out of?

I use the netting that comes off of big round bales of hay. I have a lot of
it (I never throw anything away) and use it for everything...fences around
the tomatoes, netting over the squash, hammocks for the melons...)

>What kind of hubbards? I haven't been able to learn how big >the blue
>hubbards get, or when to harvest.

The regular ones can get 15-20 pounds. That's too much squash for most
people (I sell squash and most people don't want the big ones), but I love
squash. I'm growing the the big ones, but also the 'baby' hubbards that
stay under 10 pounds. You can get the 'babies' in almost any Hubbard
variety. I'm growing the golden, green, and blue. You can eat squash young,
but to have them keep over the winter, in the Northeast we wait until after
the first frost. They are 'ripe' when you can't easily scratch the skin with
your fingernail.

>Will the potatoes rot with too much water? I was wondering about that
>earlier this year, when I accidently left the irrigation line turned on for
>a whole day. The garden was flooded in that area. I did find a few
>partially rotted ones and wondered if that could have been the cause, even
>though the water disappears fairly quickly even after too much water. How
>tall are your >potato plants?

I've never had them rot, but I've rarely had this much water. I have clay
soil, and it hold the water like crazy. I've amended my beds, and they drain
pretty well, but still, between the clay and all the organic matter, they
are pretty wet. The potato plants are about 4' above ground level, but the
branches have fallen over several times, and I hilled them. They also were
started about 6" down in a trench.

>Celery likes a lot of water? Maybe that is why mine >died........... :-)

Celery is a bog plant. My area used to be the celery capital of the
Northeast. Says something about my area...

>My garlic was fairly small, but tastes great. If yours are big >maybe I
>need to water more.

I started harvesting the garlic this morning. They look great, but have huge
globs of mud sticking all over them. I have to carefully clean each bulb (I
don't want to wet them anymore, so I'm just scraping it off), then hang them
to dry in the barn, so it's going to take a long time to harvest (I have
300-400 bulbs). My bulbs are large, but I've been selecting for large bulbs
for about 5 years, so I've got a strain of garlic specific to my garden.

>What are you planning on doing with all the tomatoes?

I have a farm stand where I sell my pasture-raised beef and my veggies, and
tomatoes are always in demand. I sell out of tomatoes and garlic no matter
how much I raise.Theret should be an even bigger demand this year because a
lot of tomatoes have blight in this area. My plants are doing well and are
loaded with tomatoes. It seems to be an exceptional tomato year for me; no
blossom end rot, no strange, misshapen fruit, no blight. If only half the
fruit ripens properly, I'll be swimming in tomatoes.

I can a lot (mostly as spaghetti sauce), and I l ive on tomato sandwiches
for a couple of months. By the time frost gets the plants, I've had my
tomato 'fix' for a while. I also have some planted in the greenhouse, so
I'll have tomatoes until December.

Lynn Wigglesworth
Tioga Co. PA


--- On Sat, 8/1/09, Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> wrote:




Leslie; it sounds like you have a green thumb for curcubits!

I have a lot of melons in the greenhouse, climbing into the rafters, with
the melons hanging in little hammocks so they don't pull the vines down. My
squash are finally setting fruit, but it's less than 2 months till our first
frost. The Baby Hubbards will ripen by then, and there are a lot of them,
but I don't know if the larger squash will develop in time.

My peppers and eggplant gave up waiting for warm weather (it's still not
here; we rarely get out of the 70's), but everything else is doing amazingly
well, considering the cool weather, little sun, and lots of rain. I can't go
out without boots...no gardening in sneakers this year. I have standing
water everywhere because the ground is saturated and won't absorb any more.
The raised beds are still draining well, but the paths have a couple inches
of water.

Everything seems to be taking longer than usual, with the lack of sun, but
looks good. Potatoes are still blooming (the plants are the biggest I've
ever seen), and won't be ready to dig for probably a month. I'm growing
celery for the first time, and it LOVES this weather. Even the onions and
leeks are doing well (I didn't think they liked so much wet). The Big Beef
tomatoes are starting to ripen, with the Abe Lincolns right behind. The
tomato plants are huge and heavy, and starting to pull the stakes over; I
can't tie them up as fast as they are growing. The Rose and Mortgage Lifter
tomatoes are just setting fruit. Today I will harvest my garlic from the
mud (not the way it's supposed to be done...garlic is suposed to be dry
toward the end, but even with all the rain, it looks good).

The ground is so squishy, and it rains at least every other day, so I
haven't mowed the lawn in a couple of weeks. It looks like a jungle.

Lynn Wigglesworth
Tioga Co. PA
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Subject: [Homestead] spaghetti squash


I bought a spaghetti squash for the first time earlier this year, dried a
few seeds, and planted one seed just to see if it would grow.

Grow it has. The one plant is now over 7 foot wide (I actually took a
measuring tape out this morning) and just over knee high and seems to be
expanding by the minute.... only slightly exaggerating... :-)

The thing that gets me is the first squash growing (of 5 so far) is starting
to look like a monster. It is just over 10" long and 6" (yes 6") wide !!! It
is green with some lighter green speckles.

The one I got in the grocery store (from which the seed came from) was
yellow (and I assume the ripe color), and was only about 7" long and maybe
4" wide.

This spaghetti plant was planted about 12 feet away from the monster
pumpkins and now they have grown into each other.

I sure hope there is no way that the bees can cross the monster pumpkin
pollen with the spaghetti squash and turn the spaghetti squash into monster
sized squash............


I planted this 1 squash, 3 pumpkins and 2 watermelon plants in the middle of
a driveway circle, not expecting them to grow that much, or even do well
since I didn't till the soil very deep and the sand underneath is very hard.
I keep having to turn the vines so they don't grow over the driveway. It is
a good thing the rabbits and ground squirrels ate the popcorn shoots and
sweet potato slips, because they would be overrun at this point by the
pumpkins.


Curcubits sure seem easy to grow here.......... but it is getting to the
point (almost) that every time I see a new baby watermelon, jenny lind melon
or honey dew I cringe... J/K, as it looks like I can freeze lots of that.

I harvested the first jenny lind the other day, much to my surprise it is
green fleshed inside.... but ooooh so good, and as juicy as the watermelon.
I haven't figured out when to harvest the honey dew, so I just took a chance
and picked a big one, and it was about 90% ripe, and also very juicy but
firm also.


I can't wait to see how big the spaghetti squash gets. I wish the hubbards
were producing better. 5 plants, and only 2 squash.





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