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  • From: Glenn Otis Brown <glenn AT creativecommons.org>
  • To: mark / negativland <markhosler AT charter.net>
  • Cc: creative commons license list <cc-sampling AT lists.ibiblio.org>, Don Joyce <dj AT webbnet.com>
  • Subject: Re: [cc-sampling] a little more
  • Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 21:56:53 -0700


Glenn Otis Brown <glenn AT creativecommons.org> wrote:
I'm in 100% agreement on making this "something distinct from the old rather than an addition to it."

As for getting rid of the licensing concept, I understand what you mean, and though legally it's technically not really possible, we could do a better job making that point in our general language, the human-readable parts of things, etc.

Is that something that would happen by the time this goes live??

definitely before then -- i was hoping to get the first draft of all that, mocked-up on some web pages and all, later this week for comment. just juggling a few things at the moment.

thanks

glenn


mark




More soon

Glenn


On Sunday, July 27, 2003, at 04:47 PM, Don Joyce wrote:

Oh, I forgot to add,
I keep perversely mentioning the need for separating the new sampling license as something distinct from the old rather than an addition to it, only because this new sampling license, in my mind, mind you, is actually about lifting restrictions, not imposing them -actually embodying an opposite sort of imperative to the many grades of restrictions available in the old licenses. Many may want a combination of both in a single license, and that's fine, but if one actually does want to lift ALL restrictions on re-use except whole work reproduction, [and this happens to be my ideal in terms of copyright rights] it seems to me the sampling license would be better sought as an alternative to existing license presumptions which are actually all about potentially restricting partial re-use as well. This is fine for any artist who wants such personal protections, but those who wish to dump such personal protections are looking for an alternative to existing licenses to begin with - which indeed is why we're doing this now. Almost all our wording seems to be about allowing, not restricting, right?

I also understand how this is so unwise on so many practicality fronts that it's impossible to create an entirely new and separate license for this, but I'm just registering my desire which is looking for an alternative "license" that completely deregulates, rather than clause options in an otherwise restriction regulating license. ( and I realize and applaud that CC licenses are already a welcome deregulation of traditional copyright law, but to move on to complete deregulation, short of whole work reproduction as this sampling license does, is actually to get rid of most of the "licensing" concept as it stands, and might be considered more like a badge of the de-licensed. That would be for those who want it, and I'd be first in line.

Now, all ready to work with what we have nevertheless.
DJ 
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