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  • From: rob AT robmyers.org
  • To: cc-licenses AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [cc-licenses] Share-Alike with images
  • Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 09:49:12 +0000

Quoting Erik Moeller <erik AT wikimedia.org>:

I think the license is currently ambiguous about such uses. However, I
think it would be clearly in line with the copyleft philosophy to
demand free licensing of the combined whole in such a case (not in the
case of mere aggregation within e.g. a collection of photos where
there's no semantic relationship between them). In my discussions with
photographers, I've found that many use NC licenses because they worry
about commercial exploitation of their works. If we could clarify
copyleft in the context of images, many of these fears could be
alleviated.

I think that as long as you don't do anything to the image, you can use it as an
illustration for your proprietary article for example. This often surprises
people, but it makes sense from the point of view of how copyright works
(IANAL). The combination is collective/aggregate, not derivative. A magazine
article doesn't become a derivative work of a photograph because it is
illustrated with it. ShareAlike is triggered by derivation, not collection, and
in fact this is the same for the GPL.

But from the point of view of people's expectations and the ethical coherency of
Free Culture this is ridiculous. Forget the legal implementation of copyleft in
the GPL (which comes after the fact of what copyleft is for ethically). People
just don't expect to see their BY-SA photographs "linked" to proprietary
articles any more than they expect to see their GPL-ed libraries linked to
Word.

This is not a problem with copyleft per se, it is simply an implementation issue
of the license. But it is a major driver for NC. Lessig's recent talk for
example takes this as a serious argument against using ShareAlike for
photographs when in fact it is a far more serious argument for modifying
ShareAlike to meet the expectations of its users.

This would be stronger than copyleft in Free Software, but then CINS (Culture Is
Not Software). ;-)

- Rob.





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