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  • From: drew Roberts <zotz AT 100jamz.com>
  • To: Discussion on the Creative Commons license drafts <cc-licenses AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [cc-licenses] Parallel Distribution and Non-Copyleft Licenses
  • Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 15:40:12 -0500

On Saturday 02 December 2006 03:13 pm, James Grimmelmann wrote:
> drew Roberts wrote:
> > On Saturday 02 December 2006 11:03 am, James Grimmelmann wrote:
> >> drew Roberts wrote:
> >>> On Saturday 02 December 2006 10:32 am, James Grimmelmann wrote:
> >>>> Greg London wrote:
> >>>>> Without any DRM clause of any kind, ShareAlike has a loophole
> >>>>> that allows DRM Dave to use the work without sharing the work
> >>>>> on his platform. Only he can distribute works on his platform.
> >>>>> Only he can create derivatives on his platform.
> >>>>
> >>>> This is true. But the same is true if DRM Dave makes snow globes that
> >>>> play a CC-licensed song. Nobody else can put derivatives (or anything
> >>>> at all) on this sort of snow globe--simply because Dave is the one
> >>>> with the manufacturing plant. Why is this not a platform monopoly of
> >>>> this troubling sort?
> >>>
> >>> James, is this really an honest question on your part or are you just
> >>> trying to pin someone down to bolster your case?
> >>
> >> I want to put this question to Greg. You and he are making similar
> >> points, but you have different conceptual frameworks. My apologies for
> >> not making clearer that this is a question of him in particular, not of
> >> all opponents of parallel distribution.
> >
> > Still, is it really an honest question?
>
> It was, and I think that Greg's responses since I asked it have
> addressed the issue.
>
> > I see no reason that I must give people freedoms they would deny me at
> > the same time. You are welcome to try and enlighten me though.
>
> Giving freedoms to those would deny us the same is an important value of
> tolerant liberal democracy. We strive to give everyone the same
> essential freedoms -- and we strive to intervene only when those would
> restrict those freedoms actually try to do so.

But this is partly what I feel I am doing which is trying to do my small part
to intervene where others are trying to create systems and a society where
those freedoms are restricted and even denied.

I have looked very hard to find language that would compromise in ways that I
personally would rather not compromise in these discussions.

What compromises can you live with?
>
> Of course, giving everyone equal opportunity is also an important value,
> so my appeal to important values isn't likely to resolve anything either
> way in the present discussion. :-)
>
> James

all teh best,

drew
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