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  • From: "Greg London" <email AT greglondon.com>
  • To: "Discussion on the Creative Commons license drafts" <cc-licenses AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: Stealing ideas?
  • Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 13:14:35 -0500 (EST)


Branko Collin said:
>
> On 14 Nov 2004, at 11:37, Greg London wrote:
>> Branko Collin said:
>> > As a Project Gutenberg volunteer and webmaster of a site that deals
>> > with abandoned games, I must strongly object to this reading of
>> > copyright. Copyright does not protect works, it destroys them.
>> > Copyright protects the interests of authors (well, at least in
>> > theory). Works get the raw end of the deal with copyright.
>>
>> Don't be so naive as to believe every bit of anti-copyright propaganda
>> you've ever read. The idea of intellectual property has acquired some
>> severe flaws of late, but the basic concept is sound and can even be
>> fair.
>
> I am sorry, how is stating that which I am experiencing 'propaganda'?
> Are you calling me a liar?

You said:
"Copyright does not protect works, it destroys them."
"Works get the raw end of the deal with copyright."

Whatever you're experiencing, you're NOT conveying it in reality-based
terms. Works don't get "destroyed" by giving authors exclusive rights
to them for a limited time. And it isn't a "raw deal" to give an author
a limited monopoly to sell their works on a market economy.

I'm not calling you a liar.
I'm calling you incendiary.

Your experience is separate from how you EXPRESS it.

And you've expressed your experience in a way that is neither accurate,
nor convincing, and will likely be dismissed by the very people whose
attitudes you need to change. If you simply want to rant and rave
and preach to the choir, fine, go ahead. But if you want to state your
case in such a way that it actually has some sort of effect on things,
then you need to work on your delivery.

Incendiary isn't going to cut it.

And it might even scare away someone who would otherwise have considered
a more open approach to copyright. And at that point, you'll start
screwing up something I'm trying to accomplish, namely putting the
gift-economy approach to copyright on the same level as the market-economy
approach to copyright.

loose language and wild accusations won't help.






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