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  • From: Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu>
  • To: "Nir cohen - Prof. Mat." <nir AT ccet.ufrn.br>
  • Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] fred on 2 tenses at the same sentence
  • Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 09:38:54 -0500

I effortlessly dismiss this "effort" thing, which is effortlessly generated in the imagination (i-make-ination). The piel form is just a root + two inner personal pronouns; one for the perpetrator of the act, and the other for the receiver of the act.

Isaac Fried, Boston University

On Jan 31, 2011, at 11:36 PM, Nir cohen - Prof. Mat. wrote:

here, unlike fred's example, the scribe had to choose between two different nikuds for the same exact word:
the neutral KAL and the more emphatic PIEL. i figure the scribe's logic was this:

in isaiah, god breaks. using PIEL might imply that god needed to make an effort, so kal was used.

in exodus, the hail breaks the trees. to make the breaking effect more dramatic, the more emphatic
piel was used.

nir cohen

On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 22:35:57 -0500, Isaac Fried wrote
> You may equally well ask Why does the masoretic text employ the form $ABAR in Isaiah 14:5, but the form $IBER in Ex. 9:25? Do they differ in meaning? The answer to this is, methinks, not maybe, but an unequivocal no.
>
> Isaac Fried, Boston University
>
> On Jan 31, 2011, at 6:24 PM, fred burlingame wrote:

> I can sympathize with the physician and the attorney, since the future
> cannot be known with certainty. But here, we are dealing with past events,
> the 1000 year old masoretic text. And yet no one appears willing to say:
> "the masoretic text employs two verb forms "yiqtol" and "qatal," rather than
> one verb form, for the following reason: ...... "
>
> It seems to me the reason for it (two, versus one, verb forms), is
> susceptible to both identification and articulation in a sentence or two.
>
>



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