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  • From: Roe <d.roe AT t-online.de>
  • To: James Christian <jc.bhebrew AT googlemail.com>
  • Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] waw "conseq" series -- chronological and logical
  • Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:22:46 +0100

Hi James,

Thanks for your response. The answer to my question might be so obvious that it is not clear what my question is. And mine wasn't a good example sentence for, as you point out, there is also a chronological aspect to the last event.

In a single series of perf. - impf. - impf. - impf. - impf., is a mixture of chronological and logical waw imperfects possible?

Thanks again,
David

D.W. Roe
Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany


James Christian schrieb:
Hi,

to be honest I really don't see your distinction between logical and
chronological. In the English example you gave everything seems to be
in chronological succession with the last being a hypothetical event
yet all the same chronologically afterwards.

James Christian

2009/11/19, Roe <d.roe AT t-online.de>:
Hi Dave,

Thanks. Please pardon the term "succession."

Can there be shifts from chronological to logical within a singular
series? E.g., "he entered the city, [and] he found the court
(chronological), [and] he went before the king (chronological), [and] he
pleaded his case (chronological), so that the king would pardon him
(logical)"?

Thanks again,
David

D.W. Roe
Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany


dwashbur AT nyx.net schrieb:
On 19 Nov 2009 at 2:42, Roe wrote:


Hello,

If the answer to my question is too complex for an email response,
please refer me to helpful literature -- if it's too simple, my
apologies...

Within a single waw series of perfect followed by imperfects, is it
possible (or even frequent) that the imperfect waw relatives shift
from
chronological succession to logical succession (and vice versa)? Or
must
all imperfects in the series be either chronological or logical?

There is no "succession," whether chronological or logical, encoded in the
so-called "waw
consecutive." It's a simple statement, which is why it works well for
narrative prose.
Succession is actually encoded in the meanings of the statements being
made. "He went
before the king. He pleaded his case." There's succession here, but it
doesn't come from
the verb forms; it comes from the fact that it's difficult to plead one's
case with the king if one
has not come before him first. Logical succession follows the same
pattern: it results from
what is being said/done, not the verb form being used to say it.

Dave Washburn

http://www.nyx.net/~dwashbur
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