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  • From: Harold Holmyard <hholmyard3 AT earthlink.net>
  • To: "b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] "daughter of Zion" [was: (bless? curse?) in the Book of Job]
  • Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 20:11:59 -0600

Doug,
In Rom 9:24-27 Paul quotes Hosea 1:11 as to the gentile inclusion and
which refers to the "sons of the living God" , is Paul , do you think
, saying that the third child Lo-Ammi who represents these sons of the
living God is the gentile inclusion. And who represents the "My
people and Mercy is shown" of Hos 1:1, could they be the "sons of
the living God" and thus the church.

HH: Paul is redirecting OT words that in their original context had a
different meaning. He is using them in a literary way. In Hosea the
words are talking about the northern kingdom of Israel:

Hosa 1:6 She conceived again and gave birth to a daughter, and the LORD
said to him: Name her No Compassion, for I will no longer have
compassion on the house of Israel. I will certainly take them away. 7
But I will have compassion on the house of Judah, and I will deliver
them by the LORD their God. I will not deliver them by bow, sword, or
war, or by horses and cavalry. 8 After Gomer had weaned No Compassion,
she conceived and gave birth to a son. 9 Then the LORD said: Name him
Not My People, for you are not My people, and I will not be your God.
10 Yet the number of the Israelites will be like the sand of the sea,
which cannot be measured or counted. And in the place where they were
told: You are not My people, they will be called: Sons of the living
God. 11 And the Judeans and the Israelites will be gathered together.
They will appoint for themselves a single ruler, and go up from the
land. For the day of Jezreel will be great.

HH: Note that verse 11 distinguishes between the Judeans and the
Israelites. The Israelites are those in the northern kingdom. They will
not be a people because in 722 B.C. the northern kingdom came to an end
and the people were taken into captivity by the Assyrians, who
transported them to other nations, never to return to Israel. Hosea
prophesied in the last days of the northern kingdom, during Jeroboam's
reign (Hos 1:1), or some time within 793-753 B.C.
So could that mean we are descendants of the 10 tribes , or are you saying there is no link , doug belot

HH: I am saying there is no link. Paul is using words written about one situation to describe a different one to which the words apply. Those who were not a people will become a people.

Yours,
Harold Holmyard





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