Skip to Content.
Sympa Menu

b-hebrew - Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 20: 1

b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org

Subject: Biblical Hebrew Forum

List archive

Chronological Thread  
  • From: Shoshanna Walker <rosewalk AT concentric.net>
  • To: b-hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 20: 1
  • Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 10:29:35 -0400

Yes, you are right, I apologize

Shoshanna




Dear Shoshanna,

This kind of outburst does absolutely nothing to further study of the Hebrew
Bible and the language in which it was written. This list is meant for open
discourse, within the bounds of accepted etiquette and within the topics
described in the list rules. The list is open to people with different
backgrounds and beliefs. No-one needs either academic or divine authority to
propose anything he or she wishes. If you have any real objection to Jim's
proposal, please state them. If not, don't. You can either accept these
ground rules or unsubscribe (for which I personally would be sorry, since
you have made interesting contributions in the past).


Yigal Levin
co-moderator


----- Original Message -----
From: "Shoshanna Walker" <rosewalk AT concentric.net>
To: <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 5:20 AM
Subject: [b-hebrew] Genesis 20: 1


Why would you think that you have the authority to propose a NEW
translation of our Torah??

Who are you, what are you credentials?

Shoshanna




B Hebrew List:
I would like to know if my proposed new translation of Genesis 20: 1 is
grammatically possible.
Traditional translation of Genesis 20: 1 (JPS1917):
'ÄúAnd Abraham journeyed from thence toward the land of the South, and
dwelt
between Kadesh and Shur; and he sojourned in Gerar.'Äù
Proposed new translation of Genesis 20: 1:
'ÄúAnd departed from there Abraham to the southern region of, and he
settled
between, Kadesh and Sur, and he sojourned in Gerar.'Äù
There'Äôs no way that Abraham and Sarah would decide to settle or dwell
in the
middle of the Sinai Desert right before Sarah bears Isaac. Under my
proposed new translation, Abraham and Sarah sensibly go to southern
Lebanon to have
the baby. Abraham and Sarah had been to Egypt and back in chapters 12
and 13
of Genesis, so they well knew how desolate the Sinai Desert was. There
is
no way that, having received the divine promise at Genesis 18: 14 that
Sarah
would bear Isaac 'Äúwhen the season cometh round'Äù, that is, when spring
returns, and knowing that YHWH was keeping these divine promises, as
proven by the
sudden destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah which was also divinely promised
in
chapter 18, that Abraham and Sarah would move to the middle of the Sinai
Desert for Sarah to carry the child to term and bear the child. Nor
would they
settle or dwell in the Sinai Desert and then move to the Negev Desert,
east of
Gaza. None of that traditional interpretation of this key text makes any
sense.
I realize that my proposed translation is 'Äústilted'Äù. That'Äôs
because it'Äôs
a very literal translation. The question is not whether my proposed
translation is smooth English, but rather whether it is a
grammatically possible
reinterpretation of Genesis 20: 1.
There were no commas or other punctuation in the original Hebrew text, so
it
seems to me that one should not give too much deference to the
traditional
placing of the English commas. By moving the English commas as I have
done,
a formerly nonsensical verse would now make complete sense. I view
'ÄúKadesh'Äù
as meaning here the Lebanese city-state of Kadesh ( though elsewhere in
the
Patriarchal narratives it is used to refer to Kadesh-Barnea). I view
'ÄúS(h)ur'Äù
as referring to the Lebanese city-state of Sur (Sur in Arabic, Sur or
Shur
or Tsur in Hebrew, Surru in the Amarna Letters, 'ÄúTyre'Äù in
English, following
the Greek mispronunciation), although elsewhere in the Patriarchal
narratives it is used to refer to the Shur Desert on the western
edge of the Sinai
Desert. Note that Genesis 25: 18 seems compelled to mention that
the reference
in the text there to 'ÄúS(h)ur'Äù means the Shur near Egypt; that
implies that
there is another Sur that is nowhere near Egypt. Finally, instead
of seeing 'Äú
Gerar'Äù as being a fictional locale in the Negev Desert (which is not,
by the
way, 'Äúbetween Kadesh and S(h)ur'Äù in any event), I view
'ÄúGerar'Äù as being
historical Garu, a portion of which, per the Amarna Letters, extended as
far
west as the coast of Lebanon. (The later mention of 'ÄúBeersheba'Äù
means little,
as the 'ÄúBeersheba'Äù that Hagar goes to in the middle of chapter 21 of
Genesis is obviously a different place than the 'ÄúBeersheba'Äù to
which Abraham goes 'Äú
at that time'Äù [Genesis 21: 22] at the end of chapter 21.)
I am mainly worried whether the grammatical construction I am proposing
for
Genesis 20: 1 is possible in Biblical Hebrew.
Any thoughts would be very greatly appreciated.
Jim Stinehart



************************************** See what's new at
http://www.aol.com
_______________________________________________
b-hebrew mailing list
b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew
_______________________________________________
b-hebrew mailing list
b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew




--
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.37/1042 - Release Date:
01/10/2007 18:59



_______________________________________________
b-hebrew mailing list
b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew




Archive powered by MHonArc 2.6.24.

Top of Page