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  • From: Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu>
  • To: "<pporta AT oham.net>" <pporta AT oham.net>
  • Cc: b-hebrew Hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Stress
  • Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 00:59:39 -0400

Pere,

What do you mean by "Either I agree with your statement about the inner structure of the second type of Imperative or not"? You have to agree with me, how can you otherwise explain the structure of RIB and RIBAH?
Better leave the "paragogic" letters business to the dictionary readers.
Stressing the 'RI' of RIBAH I hear 'please fight', while stressing the 'BAH' I hear 'a young woman'. Stressing the 'QU' of QUMI I hear 'rise girl', while stressing 'MI' I hear 'my rising'.

Isaac Fried, Boston University

On Sep 26, 2007, at 12:15 AM, <pporta AT oham.net> <pporta AT oham.net> wrote:

So,
1. Paragogic heh all grammars and dictionaries tell about.... does not exist in Hebrew?
2. Either I agree with your statement about the inner structure of the second type of Imperative or not... you do not answer to my question on the stress place within this type of Imperatives: are they always oxytone? And if not... which are the cases when they are paroxytone?

Pere Porta
Barcelona (Spain)

The middle vowel of the QAL imperatives forms you mention is a personal pronoun referring the the person ordered. In this, the vowel 'I' is the essential part of HI), and the vowel 'U' is the essential part of HU), gender and number independently. Often 'I' is reduced to 'E', and 'U' to 'O'. Thus, QUM = Q-HU)-M, SIM = S-HI)- M, $EB = $-HI)-B, XOG = X-HU)-G. Addressing a woman you add for clarity of reference an extra HI) at the end to say KUMI=K-HU)-M- HI), and addressing a group you add an extra HU) at the end to say KUMU = K-HU)-M-HU).
Addressing an important person, and assuming a pleading attitude, an extra reverential HI), you', is added at the end, as when the elders of Israel respectfully and beseechingly address $MUEL by SIMAH = SIM-HI).
There is, of course, no "paragogic" letters in Hebrew words.

Isaac Fried, Boston University

On Sep 24, 2007, at 12:56 AM, <pporta AT oham.net> <pporta AT oham.net> wrote:

There are some Imperative forms in the Bible that consist of three letters
of which the middle one is yud, which are, so to say, normal. I mean for
example LYN (Jdg 19:9) or &YM (Gn 24:2).

But sometimes this type of Imperative takes a paragogic heh as in &YMH (1Sa
8:5) or $YTH (Ps 9:21) or RYBH (Ps 35:1)

I'm wondering: as regards these latter, are these words as a rule always
oxytone?

Pere Porta
Barcelona (Spain)


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