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  • From: peter_kirk AT sil.org
  • To: <b-hebrew AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
  • Subject: Re[2]: The "times" of Isaiah
  • Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:04:44 -0400


Dear Rolf,

I don't have time to look at all of this now. But let's look at your
supposedly obvious examples that the YIQTOL of )MR has future meaning.
For a start, by your own methodology they do not, they merely have a
future pragmatic context. There is in fact nothing to show that there
is any time-related component to their meaning. Some of them seem to
be primarily modal rather than future anyway.

But how can you possibly make the logical jump from "YIQTOL of )MR has
future meaning" to "QATAL of )MR does not have future meaning"? This
seems to me totally logically fallacious, at the very most a rather
weak possibility which you have elsewhere taken as a major support for
your theory. Or have I missed something?

Peter Kirk


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Subject: Re: The "times" of Isaiah
Author: furuli AT online.no at internet
Date: 19/08/1999 10:25

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I will use CH )MR as an example. I looked at all the 499 examples of this
expression in the Bible and found that all YIQTOLs of )MR (except three in
conditional clauses,1 Sam 14:9;20:22; 2 Sam 15:26) have future meaning. How
did I reach that conclusion? Simply by taking a quick look at the context;
you need no model for that. Just look at them yourself: Gen 32:5;50:17, Ex
3:14;19:3; 20:22; 1 Sam 11;9; 18:25;20:7; 2 Sam 7:8;11:25;19:10; Is 37:10;
Jer 21:3; 23:35,37; 2 chr 10:10. In addition to these, the following
examples have a YIQTOL and a QATAL of )MR in the same verse, the YIQTOLs
having future meaning: GEN 32:5; 2 SAM 7:8:19:6; 2 Kings 22:18; Is 37:6;
27:4; Jer 37:7;45:4; Ezek 33:27. 1 Chr 17:7; 2 Chr 34:26.

The information above suggests that the QATAL of )MR does not have future
meaning, and that in exclamations with KH it was not natural to use the
YIQTOL form with present meaning (though this is done in other contexts).
The QATAL form of )MR, therefore, will either have a RT before C (past
meaning), or a RT coinciding with C (perfect, or present). But how can we
know?

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